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Old? Windows-only? Community struggles with '40-year-old male' problem Stodgy.NET? Boomer#?
Only partly a duplicate. While it discusses the ".NET on DOS/Windows 3.11" example, it veers off into discussions of "them what uses .NET". And I thought more discussion here might be...interesting.
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The closing comment: The issue is real, though, and the company has a challenge in marketing C# .NET to a younger and more diverse range of developers.
Just fork it and call the fork Latte Macchiato Pokemon Go, and they won't be able to get enough of it.
... Or do anything useful with it, probably, but one step at a time...
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Quote: In its current form .NET is for 40-year-old white men.
Exactly. Because it's a mature professional programming language, like a 40 year old (ok, we could drop the "men" part) that should be a mature professional programmer at that point.
The issue is not men/women, it's the cultural-craze that starts probably pre-teen now where all your male friends geek out on some goofy programming language. We have a graveyard of them. Ada, Perl, and Ruby come to mind.
And why "male friends"? Quite simply because geeking out pretty much doesn't attract women the way it does men. Of course there are exceptions, but the exception is not the point, reality is.
Given that *almost* everyone under 30 is not a mature professional programmer (man or woman), of course C# / .NET has an image problem. Frankly though, I strongly believe that if we had more women as developers, we would also have saner decision making on all these newfangled here today, gone tomorrow languages and frameworks.
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Marc Clifton wrote: The issue is not men/women, it's the cultural-craze that starts probably pre-teen now where all your male friends geek out on some goofy programming language. We have a graveyard of them. Ada, Perl, and Ruby come to mind.
I agree - this is not a men/women thing, but a long-standing impression of Microsoft and Microsoft tools as being locked-in and "enterprise-only". Not for Kool Kids(tm). Yet somehow a 30 year-old language (Python) suddenly is. And as you mention, Ruby before then. .NET Core could easily play in those spaces, it just needs some interest (and likely a framework like Rails. I almost said, "good framework" but my fingers wouldn't accept those two terms in one sentence)
It would be good (IMO) to get the 20-somethings using .NET though, and I think moving it to Linux/Mac will help this happen. They might see that the days of Windo$e are over, and that it is a company that you can actually somewhat trust (at least some parts of the company - Windows and Office marketeers continue to amaze me).
TTFN - Kent
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Kent Sharkey wrote: Boomer#
I exemplify that remark. Get out of my yard, you puling brat!
Software Zen: delete this;
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Scientists at Google and the Janelia Research Campus in Virginia just published an incredibly-detailed 3D connectome — a map of neural connections — for a fruit fly, including a mind-boggling 20 million synapses connecting 25,000 neurons. "Take a ride to the land inside of your mind"
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I went there and looked at the pictures, which were fun, even though the street names weren't to scale, and the viruses faces were blurred out.
No way was I going to read any of the words, though -- anyone who writes a headline like that really shouldn't be read.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Starting with Version 2002 of Office 365 ProPlus, an extension for Microsoft Search in Bing will be installed that makes Bing the default search engine for the Google Chrome web browser. This extension will be installed with new installations of Office 365 ProPlus or when existing installations of Office 365 ProPlus are updated. If Bing is already the default search engine, the extension doesn't get installed.
Note, that's Office 365 version 2002 released in 2020, not to be confused with Office 2002. 
Because this sort of abuse of power always ends well, doesn't it? It's not like other applications trying to do the same thing would end up getting blocked or anything...
And Firefox users aren't off the hook either: Quote: Support for the Firefox web browser is planned for a later date.
"Support" for Firefox! 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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They already do that with FF. A couple of weeks ago, I tested a software whose installation ended up changing my default search engine for Bing without asking any permission. I discovered the issue the day after, and quickly rollback'd the ![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) ing mess.
"Five fruits and vegetables a day? What a joke!
Personally, after the third watermelon, I'm full."
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Richard Deeming wrote: "Support" for Firefox!
A jock strap gives better support than uSoft!
It's been 6 months since I joined the gym and there's been no progress. I'm going there tomorrow in person to find out what's really going on!
JaxCoder.com
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OMG. That should be a criminal act, with the penalty that all those involved should be banned for life from every touching an electronic device again. That includes microwave ovens, cell phones, even digital alarm clocks. Probably refrigerators and stoves too.
Jeez, just wait til the EU here's about this!
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Marc Clifton wrote: Jeez, just wait til the EU here's about this!
We've heard. Arses will be quietly kicked.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Arses will be quietly kicked.
Hell, I want to be able to hear them here in the colonies!
Software Zen: delete this;
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ms said: users in your organization with Google Chrome will be able to take advantage of Microsoft Search, including being able to access relevant workplace information directly from the browser address bar
And completely exposing your corporate network to a web browser isn't a security risk at all, is it?
I was wondering what google's take on all this would be, and why they weren't kicking up a fuss, but when you think of all the additional private (and corporate) data that this will make available to them via chrome, it's not so surprising.
The solution is easy, though:
• Step one: Get rid of chrome.
• Step two: Don't install the moulding pile of putrid pus that ms office has rotted into.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I thought Chrome blocked 3rd parties from installing and enabling extensions because too many other companies had done so for even more malicious reasons.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Hmmmm, assuming Google cooperated in implementing the feature and the push in the article is just (potentially) to people on domains being managed by group policy I don't have a major issue with it since that's into the land of the BOFHs.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Dan Neely wrote: and the push in the article is just (potentially) to people on domains being managed by group policy
Unfortunately not. Everyone running Office365 ProPlus will apparently get this new extension.
If you're on a managed domain, you can use Group Policy to block it. Otherwise, you have to mess around with the registry:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\office\16.0\common\officeupdate]
"preventbinginstall"=dword:00000001 Microsoft to forcibly install Bing search extension in Chrome for Office 365 ProPlus users | ZDNet[^]
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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There are plenty of reasons to move traditional ASP.NET web apps -- part of the old .NET Framework -- to the new cross-platform direction, ASP.NET Core, but beware it will require some "heavy lifting," Microsoft says. So, remember to do your stretches first
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Too late, already done! 
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Well done! How bad was it?
TTFN - Kent
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In fact I had some personal training at home for my pet projects (desktop, wpf)....
I usually open the .csproj, replace with an empty default .NET Core project (since all files are automatically included), add project reference manually and then nuget package need for compilation... And it is quick in most case...
Took me one day to convert 31 projects!
Most of it was easy.. except a few little bits:
- had to slightly change some WCF and SOAP bindings
- some project target multitarget (netcoreapp3.1, net472) instead of single target netstandard2.1 (since while net472 doesn't support netstandard2.1, but it implemented the needed functionality)
- Program.cs and Startup.cs of the Web projects had to be tweaked (they used new interfaces, such as IWebHostEnvoironment instead of IHostingEnvironment, but are mostly compatible)
- Lastly I couldn't port UserPasswordCredential, which is really the only one pending unsolved problem, and it's required for secure and authenticated service to service communication for us so far
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Linux-Windows compatibility layer Wine 5.0 is now out, with over 7,000 updates. Because I'm all in favour of big wine upgrades
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Kent Sharkey wrote: Because I'm all in favour of big wine upgrades
From a bottle to a case?
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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 (wasn't there also a wine-glass emoji available here?)
TTFN - Kent
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