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Not sure how much of this is accurate, but tada... clicky clicky!
It's about a 10 min video, but worth the watch as it covers some Windows 12 leaks. It's still early, but it sure does look legit-ish. All the AI talk aside, the idea of CorePC/Core OS and making Windows more modular is great. If you don't need legacy compatibility for a program written in the 90s, don't install it. Keep the computer clean. If you do, install it.
Edit: Holy crap on a cracker. This video suggests that for Windows 12 you can either pay for a subscription or use it for free with ads. 
Edit 2: I'm sure the data-tracking gonna get worse though. 
Jeremy Falcon
modified 4hrs 10mins ago.
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The video sure did cover a lot of ground, but I'm afraid.
The video said, "Imagine having a personal assistant who knows everything about your personal life and work" when referring to Co-Pilot.
It will also limit your ability to charge the device based upon data from the electric company? What kind of orwellian junk is that?
I anticipate a huge market for software that disables all this stuff, unless MS makes it impossible to do that kind of thing.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote: What kind of orwellian junk is that?
Yeah man, I'm not really sure of what to make of it. But, Skynet is coming. Skynet is essentially the concept of the web 4.0/5.0.
Be funny if Linux became the OS of the resistance against the machines. 
Jeremy Falcon
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote: I anticipate a huge market for software that disables all this stuff
Finally ushering in the year of Linux on the desktop!
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Yeah, now all they have to do is test it. Oh, wait! They haven't been doing that for the last, what, 8-10 years now?
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I will not even contemplate Windows 12 with or without "CoPilot" unless I have a contract that pays me enough for the frustration.
I went out to the tech support site for Microsoft. It offered a free 30 day trial of CoPilot, $20/month thereafter. Honestly, I'm on the edge ( I read a lot of SciFi where the characters have AI in their head - but MS is never mentioned  ).
but, $200+ a year?
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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charlieg wrote: I will not even contemplate Windows 12 with or without "CoPilot" unless I have a contract that pays me enough for the frustration.
Yeah, to be honest, I'd be more trusting of AI if all the data was open and not going to one or two companies that have already proven you can't trust them. In its current iteration it's a bit of an overreach IMO.
charlieg wrote: but, $200+ a year?
Jeremy Falcon
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based on the latest FISA renewal, I'm pretty pissed.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Oh man. R.I.P.
Eat A Peach was the first album I got, when it first came out.
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What a fantastic record. One of those few bands that I can listen to all day long, one record after another.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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Reading a very interesting book Read, Write, Own by Chris Dixon (MIT Press)[^] and it got me thinking about how few sites I actually visit these days.
Remember the old days when there were multiple search engines (altavista, askjeeves, yahoo, lycos, etc.)?
Remember those days when you visited actual web sites instead of just scrolling down a feed on social media?
from Read, Write, Own intro... Starting in the mid-2000s, a small group of big companies wrenched control away. Today the top 1 percent of social networks account for 95 percent of social web traffic and 86 percent of social mobile app use. The top 1 percent of search engines account for 97 percent of search traffic, and the top 1 percent of e-commerce sites account for 57 percent of e-commerce traffic.
Outside of China, Apple and Google account for more than 95 percent of the mobile app store market. In the past decade, the five biggest tech companies grew from about 25 percent to nearly 50 percent of the market capitalization of the Nasdaq-100. Startups and creative people increasingly depend on networks run by megacorporations like Alphabet(parehnt of Google and YouTube), Amazon, Apple, Meta (parent of Facebook & Instagram), and Twitter (rebranded as X) to find customers, build audiences and connect with peers.
The internet got intermediated, in other words. The network went from pemisionless to permissioned.
Well, here's one web site that I stumbled upon yesterday and it really has some great articles: Henrik Warne's blog | Thoughts on programming…[^]
How many sites would you say you visit each day?
I'm probably at about 6-8 :
codeproject
dev.to
stackoverflow
amazon
linkedin
youtube
oreilly (books)
microsoft dev docs
instructables .com
I use duckduckgo for search
That's about it.
Even though everything is about "curated" content now and a lot of people just want "processed media blocks" to tell them what to view, the old days were more fun, I think.
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Four sites for me, CP and 3 music sites.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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CP, SO, Telegraph (UK news), BBC News, Gmail. Others, mainly technical, randomly once or twice a week.
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CP is critical because it's sometimes literally the signpost to a new gas station.
All the blogs... even the random hits to some magazine. Like I pretty much never just hit the Wired front page (or many others).
But if an article brings me there, I'll click their other content as long as it doesn't lock my computer audibly alerting me my computer is compromised, send me to a slideshow, or tell me about hot singles in my area.
In a way, this was always "the plan" by not being accounted for in the more official plan.
That more official plan being to keep users engaged and on your site and not going elsewhere so they are drinking your ad kool aid instead of someone else's.
It seems like for public health and such if you wanted to codify making it better, tax the ad dollars in such a way that encourages eclectic exploration and discourages myopic echo chambers. We don't have to become arbiters of echo, just encourage folks to "move around" a bunch more.
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My mind wonders everywhere and so does my site visitation.
Music
Carpentry
Photography
Programming
Electronics
Educational
Books
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"Photography" sites for me as well. 
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Yep, since the 80s. Shooting film and digital now. 35mm, medium-format, and 4x5.
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Nice, I got into it in the late 80s also but never got as involved in it as you.
when digital came along I started taking a lot of shots. Started traveling, bought a good camera and lenses and have had a lot of fun with it.
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Wow! Lots of episodes for C++ Weekly. Been going a long time. I will check more of that out soon. 
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Probably in the 30's somewhere, if you count MS .NET method signatures, the reference source, news, XKCD, Wordle, Quordle, CP, YouTube, Prime, Netflix, and other special interests. If you add in TV streams (and all my TV now comes in via internet streaming since the beginning of the year) it likely goes to more than that.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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OriginalGriff wrote: If you add in TV streams
Yeah, TV streams are really out of hand. Everything is a separate "service" now.
We've been on YouTubeTV for 4 or 5 years now and if you like live streaming TV it is very good.
The nice thing is you can record unlimited so the shows that end up on paramount+ and other networks can just be recorded and watched at your convenience. a pretty good catch-all.
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this goes thru my mind every once in awhile. Old sites that used to be my main stay that I just don't visit even on occasion anymore. lolcats comes to mind actually. Comics pages that I used to read. ebay just gotten burned too many times. and a host of other sites that I just cannot be bothered to go too.
Now it is
CP Obvy.
Google Maps - am a geography nerd.
Read.amazon - always have a book I am working thru or more likely 4.
wsj and a local news org.
amazon
and quite a few work only sites I would never visit again if I didn't work where I do.
interesting discussion.
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