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You're the one that turned to attack mode. If you'd left the "Murcan" part of the comment out, then I'd not have called it a rant or rather I'd not have replied at all.
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It was just a flippant remark.
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OK, sorry for my being oversenstive.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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ahmed zahmed wrote: You're the one that turned to attack mode.
That's the thing... He's not. You are. He stated something that everyone knows is true, and you got very defensive about it and attacked him...
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America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
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Sorry, have to disagree there, too.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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Oddly enough if we spent money on *their military, instead of on food aid, I think it would work itself out. *We've no worries, we can bomb them later after all.
*their - whoever you chose to insert that needs aid
*We've - Americans
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Maybe, but that would still leave us without any real incentive to do so, wouldn't it?
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harold aptroot wrote: Also, among those those countries are probably a lot of countries that actually need their military, because their neighbours are the kind of asshats that would invade if they saw a chance.
We have that problem with Canada.
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harold aptroot wrote: An other relevant number is how much it would cost to solve hunger in the civilized world
Visions of Soylant Green...
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8.5/10 of the stats in those sorts of things are made up anyway.
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It is an estimate, which, by definition, is made up.
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You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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Assuming 1 billion people are "hungry", $30 billion / 365 days / 1 billion people = $0.08.
So, we can feed people for 8 cents a day? I can't buy a grape for that much. About $30/year? I've paid for dinners several times that expensive.
I'm not convinced.
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Your assumption that 1 billion people are "hungry" would equal 14%-16% of the world. I think that's a rather large overestimate.
But even so, most of those people are in poor, third-world countries where the cost of goods and food is much less than in the "first world". So I don't have a hard time believing the cost even as you've estimated.
In any case even if you made it a $1 a day that's only about $400 Billion, which is only about 100 days worth of the world's military spending.
The point isn't really the cost anyway, it's the fact we're prioritizing the wrong thing...
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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You've a point. Still, while you're teaching to fish, people need to be fed until they can feed themselves. Gotta start somewhere. You can't teach someone anything on an empty stomach.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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ahmed zahmed wrote: people need to be fed until they can feed themselves.
If they are being fed, they have no motivation to feed themselves.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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There is that problem sometimes... unfortunately
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You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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ahmed zahmed wrote: Still, while you're teaching to fish, people need to be fed until they can feed themselves
The real problem however it that once people are fed that they will then find time on their hands and will seek to entertain themselves.
For instance by having sex and producing more children.
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Funny how you libs get upset when someone tries to enact laws to say what kind of sex is ok, but then you go wacko and try to control how many children people have.
Sex isn't the problem. People being irresponsible for themselves and for their neighbor is the problem.
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You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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ahmed zahmed wrote: Funny how you libs get upset when someone tries to enact laws to say what kind of sex is ok
We also get upset when people try to remove a woman's right to vote and to make it possible to hold slaves as well. But times change.
ahmed zahmed wrote: but then you go wacko and try to control how many children people have.
Actually I didn't say anything at all about how one might reduce the population. Myself I favor mandatory random sterilization of a significant proportion babies at birth.
But regardless that has nothing to do with the fact that less population would mean fewer problems.
ahmed zahmed wrote: People being irresponsible for themselves and for their neighbor is the problem.
I suspect you have absolutely no idea how most of the world lives.
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Colin Mullikin wrote: Hunger itself isn't the problem. It's the causes of hunger that are the problem.
Shhh!
Despite that all sorts of 'problems' could be fixed by actually reducing population absolutely no one is willing to make that a major part of the solution.
And certainly part of the reason for that is the Catholic Church.
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ahmed zahmed wrote: . I think that's a rather large overestimate.
According to this[^] it's pretty close.
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That's really sad then.
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You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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Indeed. For those who don't want to read that, I'll just paste a snippet:
Quote: In round numbers there are 7 billion people in the world. Thus, with an estimated 925 million hungry people in the world, 13.1 percent, or almost 1 in 7 people are hungry.
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Already pointed-out by someone else and replied to. And yes that's truly sad.
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You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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Not to mention things that cost a few dollars that would last days:
How much does it take to plant stuff? How much does a goat cost? Etc?
p.s:
I love that donate a goat video. It makes me 
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Actually, the new figure is $0.52 per day (according to the commercials on TV).
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Something important that should be extremely clear from any reasoned examination of history:-
People do not gain enough food, good sanitation, affordable healthcare, free education, peace and security and then go on to get representative government, the rule of law, democratic accountability and a state that is niether oppresive or corrupt.
It simply doesn't work that way round.
First people get a representative government, usually by sacrificing lots of lives and pretty much everything else on the list. Then if they get lucky they get the rule of law and perhaps democratic accountability. Then if they get really lucky they have a state that is neither oppresive or corrupt. If they can maintain that long enough to have some economic progress and get lucky with their neighbours to go with stability they get peace and security, followed by enough food, followed by sanitation, followed by free education, follwed by affordable healthcare.
In other words you can feed a child today and you'll have to go on feeding him and his children and his grandchildren forever, or you can shoot the b!$%^&^%$ who enslaved his people in the first place and he will grow up free and able to feed himself.
Most of the time we need to do both and right now we need to look very hard at our own back yard because the basic building blocks of our own civilization are under attack and if we loose those we will not be in a position to help anyone.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage."
Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
modified 22-Mar-13 14:54pm.
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Matthew Faithfull wrote: you can feed a child today and you'll have to go on feeding him and his children and his grandchildren forever
so either
Matthew Faithfull wrote: or you can shoot the b!$%^&^%$
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Matthew Faithfull wrote: usually by sacrificing lots of lives
Matthew Faithfull wrote: oppresive ot corrupt
you mispalled that
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Condoms and schools. In that order. This is where the money has to be spend. Not feeding the people like they are cattle.
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Problem with that first one is that the very poorest intentionally have more children so that their children can support them as they grow older.
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Hey, that's how pensions and soc sec work!
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This is more a cultural thing. That’s why in China doctors are not allowed to reveal to parents the gender of the baby. Future mothers tend to abort the girls as less useful.
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7 billion people X's a $4.29 meal. Yeah it would solve it, for about 5 hours.
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lol
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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I like to redistribute my wealth, and I think I do a good job of it. It makes me feel good to provide benefit to someone that I think deserves assistance.
I hate it when the government redistributes my wealth (socialism), I don't think they do a good job of it. It makes me feel bad when I see that my redistributed wealth goes to people that neither need, deserve or appreciate it.
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here here!!
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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Jim (SS) wrote: I like to redistribute my wealth, and I think I do a good job of it. It makes me feel good to provide benefit to someone that I think deserves assistance.
Scam artists also appreciates the right of individuals to give their money to 'help' someone.
Jim (SS) wrote: I hate it when the government redistributes my wealth (socialism), I don't think they do a good job of it. It makes me feel bad when I see that my redistributed wealth goes to people that neither need, deserve or appreciate it.
Yep. Certainly don't want to help certain types of undesirables. The fact that many others think those sort of people should be helped certainly shouldn't be a reason to compel me to help them. My money should only go to the right sort!
And of course I will need to be sure that my employees, friends, neighbors and members of my congregation don't help those sort either. Certainly nothing wrong with me using my persuasion and even my economic clout to insure that they follow my righteous lead.
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jschell wrote: Certainly don't want to help certain types of undesirables.
Where did you get "undesirables" from?
People that don't need the assistance = welfare scammers
People that don't deserve assistance = anyone that's been on the government tit for longer than a few months (and THAT is being generous on my part)
People that don't appreciate it = anyone that thinks they are entitled to government assistance simply because they exist and the government is handing it out
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Where did you get "undesirables" from?
Because government is an equalizer.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: People that don't need the assistance = welfare scammers
Which is not the majority.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: People that don't deserve assistance = anyone that's been on the government tit for longer than a few months (and THAT is being generous on my part)
So quadriplegic veterans should be cut off after two months? Abandoned 5 year olds should be cut off after 2 months?
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: People that don't appreciate it = anyone that thinks they are entitled to government assistance simply because they exist and the government is handing it out
What about those that don't appreciate the police - should the police service be terminated for them?
What about those that don't appreciate construction inspections - cut them off too?
There are probably meat producers that don't appreciate the mandated meat inspections - so cut those off right?
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Somebody needs to use their intelligence to make those decisions; I sure don't see many governments making good decisions.
It is your right if you want "your" money going to "undesirables", just as it is my right to have my money going to anyone I want.
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Jim (SS) wrote: Somebody needs to use their intelligence to make those decisions; I sure don't see many governments making good decisions.
Versus what - anarchy?
Jim (SS) wrote: just as it is my right to have my money going to anyone I want.
Maybe in your country, but the US, it is a given that individuals do not have the "right" to specify where their tax money is spent. Quite a few have tried that tactic and received criminal/civil penalties to dissuade them.
But you do get to give the money that you have left after taxes to whoever you want. So give freely.
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I guess my big question is why does any government feel it has the right to redistribute anyone's money. The US constitution limits the federal government's spending to regulating commerce, providing for defense (army, navy, etc), post offices, and a few other things. So, again what gives a government the right to create a welfare state, and take money from some people and give it to others?
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Jim (SS) wrote: I guess my big question is why does any government feel it has the right to
redistribute anyone's money.
Depends on what you mean specifically but in general there is a great deal of literature that deals with the necessity for some sort of income (taxes) for a government to support things that inviduals cannot - like military forces.
Jim (SS) wrote: The US constitution limits the federal government's spending to regulating
commerce, providing for defense (army, navy, etc), post offices, and a few other
things. So, again what gives a government the right to create a welfare state,
and take money from some people and give it to others?
In terms of the first and last part of that - the US government is not and never has been solely based on the US Constition. The Constitution defines a framework and is specifically NOT intended to define all aspects of the government.
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I don't have a problem with a government paying for necessary governmental functions, like the military. That is not forced redistribution from one person to another.
As a matter of fact the US federal government is based solely on the constitution. That is the document that limits the role of the federal government; the courts determine whether any law is acceptable based upon whether it falls within the limits the constitution specifies. All laws must be constitutional or they may be struck down.
In fact that was the argument that allowed obamacare to slip through; the supreme court determined that it was only allowed because it taxed people that didn't purchase insurance - the requirement to purchase insurance would have been unconstitutional.
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Jim (SS) wrote: I don't have a problem with a government paying for necessary governmental
functions, like the military. That is not forced redistribution from one person
to another.
You might not. Others do however.
Jim (SS) wrote: As a matter of fact the US federal government is based solely on the
constitution
Wrong. The US government is a vast enterprise whose the vast enterprise and although the Constituion provided guidelines it is not an absolute lock on everything that occurs and since much of what occurs is based on Congressional acts, the Constitution provides no direction there except that it allows Congress to pass such laws.
Jim (SS) wrote: That is the document that limits the role of the federal government; the courts
determine whether any law is acceptable based upon whether it falls within the
limits the constitution specifies. All laws must be constitutional or they may
be struck down.
Eh? The Courts are part of the government.
Jim (SS) wrote: the requirement to purchase insurance would have been unconstitutional.
I didn't say the US Constitution has zero impact on the US Government. What I said was the the government has great latitude in how they collect and spend money. And that has passed Supreme Court cases. And people that claim otherwise end up paying fines and/or spend time in jail.
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I hate those manipulative pictures. You often see them on UK TV where charities make fund-raising appeals and use the most manipulative imaging they can. I know they have to dig deep to separate money from your wallet but I don't like it. Dagnabbit, look at how much aid is given to overseas agencies and how a good percentage is syphoned off for personal gain. Even donations of equipment and direct aid like tents, water, dried food, medicines and what have you are squirrelled away and sold on for profit. It's a delicate balance to strike. The media experts however, know how to play the game.
Edit: call me cynical if you must. When me and princess lived in Joburg we often had charity workers and collectors come to the gate asking for money (what else?) or clothes they could pass on. We never ever gave cash and having given easily 20+ cheques do you know how many were ever cashed? Yup, none! Genuine charities would be able to handle that. Bogus, money-thieving bastards? No.
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You make good points. I don't like it either.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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The Light Programme is playing something called "Swimming Pools (Drank)" by a young artiste called Kendrick Lamar (if that is indeed his real name).
It consists of a gentleman with a moderately deep bass voice chanting a one or two word versicle (e.g. "Pour up" ) followed, in response, by a Crazy-Frog impersonator seemingly trying to cough up a greasy fur-ball whilst saying the word "Drank". None of it makes sense, except there seems to be some allusion to the imbibing of the libation that cheers but does inebriate until tired-and-emotional tomfoolery ensues. I suggest you try downloading it, as I think it is the current definition of "Musically Illiterate" as described by the OED.
I can shoot out both ear-drums with one bullet right?
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