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Also, the UI of Ubuntu is also not to my taste. Those windows, especially the caption and border, always make me feel thick and heavy.
Am I the only one who thinks so?
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Me too. 
I think Win 7 has the best UI ever, especially window color/border. Event Win 8 with its flat design is not that cool.
Behzad
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You can configure the UI through an XML file somewhere, or choose other styles. I forget where it is now, but google it.
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Nothing to say.
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Then change the look at feel. You can, for example, try Cairo-Dock or Cinnamon. You can even try the Gnome Fallback version. But if you want it to have a Microsofty-like Windows appearance, you can even try "Kubuntu"
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Cinnamon is by far my favorite
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Defo like Cinnamon the best
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Oh dear. It's not the same. Me want Mickey Soft. But fwee!
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Once you learn the basics of Ubuntu and learn how to use the basic sudo and bash commands you will quickly learn to love Ubuntu sure it lacks support for many programs but this us coffee project and we are developers if your preferred language is c sharp then there is a great ide which honestly can't remember the name of it at the moment but is a great way for us to program .net apps within Ubuntu no wine needed
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MonoDevelop.
You can load a project built in Visual Studio directly, rebuild it with trifling modifications in most cases, and run it on Linux.
Or-build a completely new Gtk interface for the business code.
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You can even edit and compile your application on Windows (with VS, SharpDevelop etc or just N++ and a command line compiler) and run it under Mono, in most cases (though not if you use a WPF front end if I remember right).
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Never tried that. Sounds like a blast.
Can also use MD for ANSI c++; nice feature is adding package references. Any -dev library package you've installed on your system will show up as available. Add with one click.
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My dad writes some .Net software (graphics and reporting that can work as a component and render to file) and he had a client using it on Mono with only minor problems (the drawing to bitmap was a bit crap in those days on Mono, might be fixed now, so the client had to generate .eps or other text based output formats). I've not tried it myself as I don't paddle in the Linux pool much except for work, where we have a Java project deployed there.
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Nice. We use hybrid systems, so I have to do both.
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Yes MonoDevelop great ide has Intelisense and some features that MVS needs to implement
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Behzad Sedighzadeh wrote: 6 - I needed a notepad++ Linux equivalent. No chance!
At this point, you deserve a "Clippy" to appear to help you. "Hi, it looks like you're trying to type a letter." You HAVE heard about Wine?
Behzad Sedighzadeh wrote: You know, i think the whole philosophy behind current Linux development is wrong!
You're comparing it to an environment that has "the user is dumb and evil" as a philosophy.
Force yourself to use it for a year, and come back. Aw, and do yourself a favor, install DSL instead of Ubuntu. You don't need the bloat, it's only there to make Windows-users more comfortable.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Quote: You're comparing it to an environment that has "the user is dumb and evil" as a philosophy.
Yes. Exactly. Everyone outside developer community is dumb and evil. I have had this experience whenever i ship a code.
Quote: Force yourself to use it for a year,
For a year? That's unacceptable for average user.
BTW, i had heard of DSL. I will give it a try. Thanks for suggestion.
Behzad
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"Use Wine" is a cop-out and shows that there really are missing planks in Linux. You wouldn't expect a Windows user to accept 'just start a Linux VM' when they ask where some piece of software is.
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BobJanova wrote: You wouldn't expect a Windows user to accept 'just start a Linux VM' when they ask where some piece of software is.
If you insist on comparing them as equals, yes - but they're definitely not. Notepad++ isn't part of the OS, and if he wants to run a foreign app, well that's possible. The most common answer to "xxx is not here" is write it.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Alright. Use gedit. It's built in, is tabbable, and does practically everything notepad++ does. Also it doesn't screw up line endings, so when you edit scripts, they'll *still* work.
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Yeah gedit is decent. That's what I generally use when I'm in a Linux environment.
Not sure what you're taking a pop at there but Notepad++ preserves line endings as well.
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Notepad++? Yeah, supposed to preserve line endings too. Gedit will actually 'clean' a file with Windows lines though, whereas ++ will preserve whatever you've got in there.
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So it won't preserve them, then? That's no better than a Windows platform editor 'cleaning' Linux line endings and helpfully adding the \r for you.
N++ will let you re-encode a file if you actually want that, but it doesn't change a file unless you ask it to.
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It's a lot better actually; we don't have to write a bash script on Linux for use on windows, so standardised Unix lines are just fine.
I guess if you wanted to transfer Python or Ruby scripts, Windows might nag you, but they would run.
In short, Windows line endings will disable Linux scripts, but not vice versa, which is probably why Gedit doesn't default to leaving things alone.
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Incidentally, I'm not trying to diss ++. It's a good programme. For Windows.
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Quote: At this point, you deserve a "Clippy" to appear to help you.
Ask[^], and ye shall receive.
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It amazes me how often Linux advocates resort to telling users that the problem is with them rather than the system being unfriendly.
Further, the community is in my experience prone to insulting new users - the "if you can't figure this out you're dumb" approach can only help alienate users.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: Force yourself to use it for a year, and come back.
Exactly - not ready for a desktop OS yet.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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So true. Linux people so often shoot themselves in the foot with the attitude problem.
However, I think you are dead wrong about Linux being unready or unfriendly. 
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I beg to differ - there is no way I could expect any of my family members to install software on any Linux platform, on Windows there would be (and is) no issue at all.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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We are talking about Linux, right? And Windows? We're talking about Windows? It's much easier on Ubuntu Linux than Windows. Unless you're using dial-up.
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Rob - today is another day. I stand before you a chastened man. Installing Linux programmes is cheap and very, very easy.
Finding good programmes is another matter.
I tried three different weather apps yesterday - all of them were duff. Want to know the weather in Kuala Lumpur? And ONLY Kuala Lumpur? Neat!
In the end I installed an excellent plugin on my Firefox that really does the trick. Sometimes you just can't argue with the big battalions.
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Rob Grainger wrote: It amazes me how often Linux advocates resort to telling users that the problem is with them rather than the system being unfriendly.
10 years ago, I was amazed too, but today I'll have to agree with them. I don't see why Linux "needs" to compete with Windows, in order to be called a desktop-OS. Just like airplanes, desktops are not all equal, and some are easier to fly than others.
No, it will never be a mainstream-OS. Why? Well, for one because it requires one to know the tool, as opposed to Windows. Does that make it less a desktop-OS?
Rob Grainger wrote: Further, the community is in my experience prone to insulting new users - the "if you can't figure this out you're dumb" approach can only help alienate users.
New users will have to accept that they're asking random people for help, not a company. Further, those "random people" have the same resources as the noob-linux user; the man-pages and a lot-o'-internet.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Seriously?? Linux is not Windows. You have been using Windows for years. You have already gone through all the pain of learning the quirks and the gotchas. Hence the reason, try it for a year and then complain. Because all you are doing right now is complaining that Linux isn't Windows ...
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Behzad Sedighzadeh wrote: 6 - I needed a notepad++ Linux equivalent. No chance!
Sublime Text 2
I doubt it. If it isn't intuitive then we need to fix it. - Chris Maunder
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You're right and no less so for being late to the party. I've said what I have to say about 'desktop' Linux so I won't repeat it but you're more than welcome to.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage."
Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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Linux is good because you can spend infinite time tinkering with it and avoid doing your job.
When confronted about it, you can claim you had to download a huge tree of dependencies, half of which you had to find and install manually, and then you had to write a patch for GCC to be able to compile some things.
And you wouldn't even be lying.
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I tend to agree . Ubuntu is not suitable for my mother . Also the number of devs I see using macs tends to make me assume that there is a reason they dont use UBUNTU as their OS. I am using it right now , and I find it as reliable as windows 95 . Now I daresay that there is a config I can find that will help , and as a technical guy I enjoy that challenge , but mass market ? Not yet . BUT its getting there . And for server OS I think Linux is perfect , no worrying about licensing issues , easy command line installs , superb online community help with honest opinion .
Regards
Torrance
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My mum is 87. She uses Ubuntu 12.04. She finds the interface far easier to use than microcrap, and she doesn't miss the useless, confusing popups every time she tries to do things, or waiting for all the s**t to finish hijacking the network connection when she switches on, or the aggressive marketing banners of 'free' software, or the rubbish about not switching off because of updates when she wants to finish and go and make a cup of tea, or the s**t you have to pay for to protect the system from drive-by's and viruses...
I mean really? You pay good money for this experience?
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Are you sure this was an Ubuntu problem, rather than because of ns-3? I haven't worked on Linux for a while, but I always found it one of the easiest systems to install and configure, on a range of hardware.
Use the best guess
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Yes. The default installation CD lacks some really useful and popular libraries.
Behzad
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That's the difference between Linux and Windows. Linux is a basic operating system, and you are free to add the additional applications you want.
Use the best guess
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Behzad Sedighzadeh wrote: Because it has been prepared from a developer's perspective not an ordinary user who just wants to set up his environment and start to work.
I agree 100%. While for a lot of things I can simply use some app, any of the nice personalization things that I am used to in Windows simply isn't there. I can't imagine trying to create a workable dev environment in it - even switch between applications with alt-tab is a klunky "WTF is it trying to do" experience. And come on, having to open a terminal window and "sudo" this, "sudo" that, is elephanting archaic.
Marc
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Your issues with Linux seem to stem from the fact that you believe the world revolves around what you want and need rather than what the average user might need. They're not going to pre-install EVERY interpreter known to man just because YOU might use it. Flash doesn't come installed because once again, it's a proprietary tool, and they haven't quite been playing nice with Linux for a bit... but one could argue Adobe has been upsetting more people than playing nice with them.
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Behzad Sedighzadeh wrote: Soon after logging, the problems, started to appear.
1 - I needed to install
python
2 - I needed to install TCL.
3 - I needed to install g++ ( for
compiling ns-3 )
4- JAVA? No problem! In Win7 also you need to install
it.
5- Adobe flash? I just installed it but after opening some tabs, Firefox
started to freeze and in a rare time in Linux history (  ) desktop vanished
and after some HDD LED work, it logged out and showed me the login dialog!
And you get those direct with windows? Do you mean an OEM pre-installed bloatware PC you just plug in and go? Even those I've never seen with such a developer-specific set of all interpreters possible arrangement.
Behzad Sedighzadeh wrote: 6 - I needed a notepad++ Linux equivalent. No chance!
And this is a "standard" Windows program available direct from the install DVD? Or did you inadvertently add the ++ to the end?
If you don't like sublime, then try Geany - it's built using the same Scintilla libraries as Notepad++ is. Some even say it's better than N++.
Behzad Sedighzadeh wrote: 9 - Foxit Reader?
Uhmmm ... now let me see here ... http://www.foxitsoftware.com/downloads/
Yep, as I thought, Foxit has a "Desktop Linux" version in that dropdown!
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Quote: Yep, as I thought, Foxit has a "Desktop Linux" version in that dropdown!
Yes, it has download link, but there is nothing inside that combo for download. To be honest, i searched the web and found it on a file sharing service, but the main purpose of using Foxit ( tabbed PDF viewing ) was not available. Am i missing something? I don't know, So please let me know if there is such an application.
After all, my whole point is, in Windows or Mac you do not need to know command line tools and options or need to install library X in order to get your job done. Almost everything is ready. For all above applications, all you need is just some clicks ( Next -> Next -> Finish ). I needed ns-3 for an academic purpose and i had no time learning TCL, python, etc.
Behzad
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Behzad Sedighzadeh wrote: After all, my whole point is, in Windows or Mac you do not need to know command line tools and options or need to install library X in order to get your job done.
That I do not agree with. Nearly all apps you can install through the application managers. And if you do so you'll never need to use any CLI as they'd automatically also download needed libs if those haven't already been installed.
In Windows, such does not happen. If the app didn't include the lib inside of its install EXE/MSI file that lib would not be automatically installed. Rather you might find that an error box is displayed stating you need some lib from somewhere you need to download manually and install before you can install this. Sometimes (if the programmer making the MSI) was thinking about the user, he'd add a link to the download in such case. I do agree that in most cases an MSI would include all its needed libs, but that is wasted space in nearly all instances - just think how many games include the entire DirectX libs in their CD/DVD/download? You only need install it once don't you? Not every single time a new app wants to use it?
That's why I like the Linux method better. The app is just the app itself. No ancillaries and dependencies. The CLI (and the GUI managers) read the app's dependencies, checking if those are already installed, and then include those which aren't for download when you install the app. IMO this makes for the least amount of wasted install bandwidth.
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Behzad Sedighzadeh wrote: So please let me know if there is such an application.
You could try qpdfview[^]. A little new, but what I've heard sounds positive.
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Behzad Sedighzadeh wrote: You know, i think the whole philosophy behind current Linux development is
wrong!
why?
Because it has been prepared from a developer's perspective
not an ordinary user who just wants to set up his environment and start to
work.
Here I'm with you half-way. Most Linuxes are not designed (or even intended) for the average user. But Ubuntu is definately one of those whose philosophy leans more to the: "User is dumb and should be lead by the hand" idea than the CLI-centric distros.
In my experience Ubuntu & Fedora is nearly equal to Windows' "ease of use" for a lay-user. But "when things go wrong" it's actually surpassing the "registry hacks you need to invoke with a cauldron boiling some efluence" to try and "fix" windows without an entire system reformat.
And actually if you download some program to install on Windows, you have either a 5GB file to get or you need to download DotNet 4.5 (or WTF else). So 61MB scares you does it? For libraries which would probably be used by some of the other progs you're installing? Really? You must LOVE updating/upgrading your DotNet packages then!
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1-5 are the same in windows
6 - Gedit ( and Pimp my Gedit[^]
7- Top is good enough for me
8 - Pidgin
If you would like a pre-setup system then you can either save an image or write scripts. It's not that big of a deal.
If it moves, compile it
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Actually I agree with the OP with certain things.
I am a Java dev, and think that:
Ubuntu is not that user-friendly as some Linux users want it to be.
Average user does not need to know how to sudo things: Instead, if "he" wanted to install something, a tool similar to Ubuntu Software Center should be used. Something user-friendly, without typing archaic things, with nice graphics and aesthetics.
Install procedure: Already said. In Windows if you need to install something regular, you download the "installer", next next finish. In Ubuntu, it is much more complicated. (compiling things? really?)
There are some customization issues also: That ugly bar (not talking about Kubuntu here) should be replaced, or replaceable if the user doesn't what it. The Ubuntu's "Control Panel" should be more user-friendly.
There should be something equivalent to "Task Manager". I mean, should I open a f****** terminal and execute two or three commands to kill something that has crashed? Which by the way happens more often than expected (unstable set of applications, not entirely Ubuntu developers fault).
Nautilus has some issues, not being capable of renaming files when doing two clicks, among others.
Not supporting NTFS file system as a possible partition for the installation of the OS is something a bit far ahead from what the average user think about, that is just wrong.
Well, now that I discharged myself, I feel a lot better. 
I love how Ubuntu is easier to set initially, with the drivers automatically installed (most of the time) rather than in W7 putting the fu**** disk for each device.
asdsda
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