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From CP newsletter.
Almost half the men surveyed think they could land a passenger plane. Experts disagree | CNN[^]
"So, if you’ve never even learned the basics of flying, your chances of successfully landing a passenger aircraft with air traffic control’s help are close to zero."
So I am guessing the article is claiming that if the crashing plane does not have fully certified pilot on board every one should just give up and die.
Also wonder about the article diverging into the following...
"For takeoff, the aircraft must build up speed until the wings"
Were they perhaps worried that a passenger would need to step in for an emergency takeoff? Because? Like the zombie apocalypse and everyone needs to escape from the horde running across the field?
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jschell wrote: fully certified pilot
That's a very big step beyond "learned the basics of flying". There are loads of people out there who have flown a glider, or taken controls of a light aircraft for a few minutes, or have spent hours - or months - on a flight sim.
Whilst all of these are very different from landing a passenger aircraft, the principles are the same and at least there's a chance that the newbie pilot will have a grasp of terms like pitch, yaw, flaps, glide path etc. If the instructor on the ground can tell the pilot to "push the nose down a few degrees until you're on the glide path, and check your wings are level" that's a LOT simpler than explaining the basics.
There are plenty of well-documented cases where an "untrained" pilot has landed a small plane with the assistance of an instructor on the ground. Of course the "documentation" in cases where it's all gone horribly wrong is harder to come by, as it's a smoking heap in a field somewhere. There are almost no cases of completely untrained pilots landing larger commercial aircraft, because it's a very, very, very rare instance when both pilots are incapacitated and there's not even a partially qualified pilot on board.
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DerekT-P wrote: push the nose down a few degrees until you're on the glide path
Someone has to be a smartarse here and I think it's my turn... again 
You wouldn't want to do that, as pushing the nose down would increase your speed - on approach the power controls the descent rate and the stick/pitch controls speed.
So what you would want to do is to reduce the power to increase descent rate.
Outside of being the smartarse I guess I am trying to say that - yes it is very different to how people may imagine it is even if they have self-taught themselves how to fly a flight simulator -> Dunning–Kruger effect[^]
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
modified 12-Dec-23 2:13am.
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Unless of course you're not only too high but too slow as well. Or your engines have fallen off. But yes, this is whya novice can't do it on their own. I suspect the hard part is establishing radio contact in the first place.
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But does it clarify where to bury the survivors?
modified 11-Dec-23 14:34pm.
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If the stand in pilot does a good/bad enough job the passengers won't need to be buried.
As the aircraft designer said, "Simplicate and add lightness".
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Is that after having them for dinner or after the crash... 
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That question only comes into play if you crash on a national boundary.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: But does it clarify where to bury the survivors?
If I were a survivor, I would prefer to delay considerations concerning my burial to some later occasion.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: bury the survivors
You have some odd customs in your part of the world...
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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We also have a rather old joke (from the mid-1970s or earlier).
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The article is weird.
Obviously, not every capable person can deal with the stress of the situation. (maybe the 40 yo mom in economy is the best one to do it and not the 30 yo. eye doctor)
Most people will never be able to do a smooth landing.
Most people will be able to safely crash the plane. (crush the landing gears, land too soon, land too late ... )
If a plane is in such condition, every resources will be made available to help crash land the plane.
All other planes will be prevented to land or depart.
All radio chatter will be minimal.
Modern planes have very capable auto-pilot (I think most planes can be fully operated with the auto-pilot, from takeoff to landing).
(see the many auto-landing videos)
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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Am reminded of the movies
- Airport 1975 and Airport '77
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ISTR, some time back in the 90's, maybe, there was a Disaster Film, where some Joe Schmo was tasked with landing a jet full of passengers. I don't think the plane was damaged, but the pilots were incapacitated. Much time was spent getting Joe familiarized with the cockpit, aircraft controls, etc. A bumpy landing was made, and the day was saved, Yay. I seem to recall the experts of the day saying something like, nice story, but on a modern airliner, you would just have the guy turn on the Autopilot/ILS and the plane should land itself. No Drama. But of course that's not good for Hollywood.
"A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants"
Chuckles the clown
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Sorry, but the old saying pops to mind - "Put your head between your knees and kiss your ...."
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No, they simply give you the odds.
It's like how most men think the can fight, whereas most people are completely clueless.
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jschell wrote: Were they perhaps worried that a passenger would need to step in for an emergency takeoff? Because? Like the zombie apocalypse and everyone needs to escape from the horde running across the field?
Could happen. I saw it in a movie once... 
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“Don’t worry, the ambulance will meet you at the crash site.”
-Ron “Tater Salad” White
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From CP newsletter
Linux is getting its own Blue Screen of Death - The Verge[^]
"full-screen message that displays a QR code to get more information on what’s causing the boot issue."
Because everyone knows that the open source community is known for its completeness and dedication to creating excellent documentation.
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If you can print a QR code, you can print a text message. I can't think of anything that would need more than a few lines of 80 character text. Which should also get written to one of the log files - unless its the disk that's gone kaput.
I don't get it. You want me to find my phone, scan a QR code, hopefully have cell reception, and then squint at a web page that tells me something that could have been written to the console? Madness.
<rant>
IMHO, systemd is a solution looking for a problem. Maybe Sys-V init scripts didn't quite measure up to today's requirements, but having simple scripts which anyone with a little shell knowledge could understand was preferable to the complex beast that systemd has become. Like EMACS, its in danger of becoming its own OS. Maybe next they'll add a scripting language based on lua, just to "improve" things ...
</rant>
Dang. I said that last bit out loud. We're doomed, I tell you! DOOMED! (and not in the id software way....)
"A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants"
Chuckles the clown
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agreed. Over the years I've developed the general disposition of "get off my lawn." The family wanted iPhones. Sigh, okay. 4+ years later, Apple did something, backups stopped working, etc. The problem is, I cannot login to any of my customer sites without 2 factor authentication. Now we get QR codes for crashes?
I really don't want to have to use my damn phone for development work.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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jschell wrote: Because everyone knows that the open source community is known for its completeness and dedication to creating excellent documentation.
As opposed to the awesome job the closed source community is doing for its own documentation?
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But of course ... 
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I guess they did it because QR codes is cool.
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