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glennPattonWork wrote: I finally have got around to reading a little book called "How To Lie With Statistics"
You going into politics?
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No, but I like to how I am done, 
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glennPattonWork wrote: or books floating around out there
"The secrets of Book Levitation" by Upin D Ayre.
or
"How to turn your books into boats" by Oragam E. King
Should be right up your street.
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Hmmm, just had a quick look at Amazon couldn't find 'em! am I missing a joke! 
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Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance [1974], Pirsig RM.
A very good and thought provoking read. I recently re-read it after some twenty odd years and it is still applicable.
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
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Read it! 
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Question 1)Picture the scene, you are a school that is looking to review the use of technology in the classroom (i.e. defining future digital strategy). Let's consider you are looking at the age group 5 to 12 (Primary1 to P7).
You may require that parent purchase devices in the future. You will also be possibly issuing to teachers etc.
Taking all things into consideration, i.e. devices, usability, platform, the eco systems and tooling/services of the companies,
Would you go for
a) Microsoft + Surface
b) Google + Android (using Galaxy Tabs/Notes and/or possibly Chromebooks)
c) Apple + iPad (+ keyboard)
My thoughts were with Google+Android, because a) Devices generally cheaper, b) syncronised platform across web/tablet/phone c) product spectrum of underyling services and platforms d) more open platform
Question 2)
What are your immediate thoughts to this statement:
"We have carried out a very thorough process of due diligence with regard to choosing a preferred device. We tested 9 different devices across 14 members of staff with others joining in. Drop-in sessions, informal meetings, research at other schools, a formal online response and surveys of staff and pupil use of devices all helped to inform our final preference, which is for iPads, supported as needed by keyboards. Our aim is that the whole school will be wireless enabled by this autumn. Staff will be equipped with iPads in order to research and develop their use in the classroom and their support for the curriculum over the next school year. Some class sets will be available for testing material with teaching groups."
Note: this is as a result of my kids school issuing the statement in Q2 (which was part of a larger email). My kids already have android tablets and chromebooks. I'll be fkd if i'm buying iPads.
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I hope your kids enjoy their new iPads.
Apple has always been the dominate platform in public education. 
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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In other words, the teachers wanted the school to buy them iPads.
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You cynical old Hector!
(That's what I thought when I read it, as well - the teachers have iPhones, so they want iPads to go with them)
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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DaveAuld wrote: You may require that parent purchase devices in the future.
 A £400-iPad would have cost what some families have to live on for a month. I can't see how the school can mandate this.
I'd go for android too, pretty much for the reasons you describe. You also have to have an iTunes account, which you must provide card details for IIRC, put in the hands of a kid who won't understand how microtransactions can mount up, and this has been a recipe for disaster in the past (there was a case of this on the local news a few months ago, where the 10/12yo didn't even realise he was paying with real money & racked up a huge bill).
DaveAuld wrote: We have carried out a very thorough process of due diligence with regard to choosing a preferred device.
My thoughs on this statement are probably more pertinent. I'd bet they haven't, they formed a committee of non-experts (I'd be surprised if this even contained an CS graduate) who then started drinking the cool-aid. Staff graduating in the social sciences/arts will have had MS = big corporate evil pumped into them throughout their career. The same people will have also been primed with the idea that Macs are better in every respect (especially if they've used mostly DTP or art packages, where they actually are better). Then they'll start looking for information that confirms their prejudices. Helpfully, Apple is following the tobacco trade route hook'em while they're young[^], I know they tried this at the Uni where I worked.
Coupled to this is the staff get free iWhatevers which will be much more palatable in terms of bragging right then them than having something more useful to swan around with.
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”
Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
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If you were a real sceptic cynical b'tard, you would ask the school for the data set they used to come to the conclusion.
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
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Releaf!! And some thunder too, much earlier than planned!
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vonb wrote: much earlier than planned!
Wow, the Swiss are efficient.
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”
Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
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Well, the project I am working on is 6 months late actually...
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vonb, this is the boss. We finally found out why this project is 6 months late. GET BACK TO WORK! 
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I am, it is just debugging for me right now. Each new rebuild means:
- enter the new C# code
- restart the Virtual Machine
- 10 minutes or so CP
- Go back to Virtual Machine (Logon)
- 10 more minutes CP
- Open VS with project
- Go to bin\debug directory of project
- Launch the installation Powerscript
- 10 more minutes CP
- Attach the Project to a running process
- Finally debug it (each time means a ca. 30 minutes just restarting VM)
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Amitosh Swain wrote: HTML5 feels like a joke when, my WebGL runs slower than a java 3d applet running inside an applet!
All of web development seems like a joke, and a really poor one at that. It's a mishmash of bandaids applied to a 20+ year old format.[^].
Personally, I'm quite disillusioned by the whole thing, pretty much at the point where I'm thinking of ditching software development completely. The whole industry feels archaic and stultified to me at this point. I guess I need to find something that is inspiring, but I'm not finding it the current state of affairs.
Marc
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HTML itself is a joke, XHTML is somewhat better and regular
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That and when they do put out something decent (Silverlight) they ditch it in favor of the 20 year old bandaged junk.
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Amitosh Swain wrote: houldn't it have a mechanism to find errors during deployment... not while running and then becoming a mammoth job to debug?? Debug, really anybody got any success?? I never get any! And another nonsense is weak typing
Yes, this is definitely a weak point. You can attach a debugger, but it's terrible (because it also breaks on every included JQuery file  )
Another annoying feature of web dev is that you have to make it work on different browsers ...
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Mmm, I are hungry so I'm going to make my lunch. Suicide Samich - It's basically a toasted club sandwich with extra bacon and not much green stuff, topped off with enough super chilli chutney to just make the eyes water. 
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
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Add a smattering of Da Bomb[^]
That should get things going a little.
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And you gonna start s****ing blood after this
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That's normal after chipotle isn't it?
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”
Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
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I make my own chutney, the current lot is kickin'.
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
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What about watermelon or only muskmelon? Or maybe grilled marrows with yogurt?
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Watermelon is so cheep in Hungary, we never buy it here. It is our big summer treat.
Marrow? That is the one food stuff I will never touch, even hidden in another dish. Disgusting vile gloop. I'd rather go on T* diet than eat marrow!
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
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cooking recipe
I am talking about the marrow the vegetable not the bone marrow or anything else.
This recipe is close to the one i am talking about but you can only put the sliced marrow in the over until they get brown and drown them in yogurt. You can add some spices too.
Its really delicious and light summer recipe.
What is T* diet ?
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Argonia wrote: I am talking about the marrow the vegetabl
So am I, vile stuff. I have a violent reaction every time it's given to me. I punch the cook.
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: super chilli chutney
Isn't this green and quite Indian??
Nagy Vilmos wrote: Mmm, I are hungry
You are hungry?? I'll give you A+++ in grammar
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This is some kind of english for advanced users. OG was kind enough to give me one lesson yesterday.
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That's why I'm giving you A+++
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I had ham from Parma with mellon, a season standard, oh and a beer.
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Beer has washed down my samich. My appetite is sated; all is well with the world.
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
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Clinkety![^]
Very very random indeed! The link says it all!
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There is indeed nothing new under the sun: http://xkcd.com/1227/[^]
"If a picture catches the public fancy, the public must have an etched or photogravured copy of it within a month or two of it's appearance..."
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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G.J. Goschen wrote: "The articles in the quarterlies extend to thirty or more pages, but thirty pages is now too , much. so we witness a furhter condensing process and, we have The Fortnightly and The Contemporary which reduce thirty pages to fifteen pages so that you may read a larger number of articles in shorter time and in a shorter form. As if this last condensing process were not enough, the condensed articles articles of these periodicals are further condensed by the daily papers, which will give you a summary of the summary if all that has been written about everything
tl;dr Stuff gets condensed and is not as good as original #WouldHaveAFitAtTwitter
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”
Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
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Twatter was also covered by Israel Zangwill, "The Bachelors' Club":
"There never was an age in which so many people were able to write badly"
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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I think he forced his wife to go on holiday.
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”
Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
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Up voted for subtlety 
MVVM # - I did it My Way
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Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011
.\\axxx
(That's an 'M')
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Eating Beer-Can sandwiches man.
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Up voted for subtlety
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”
Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
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Da man is on an island drinking rum, smoking weed, and generally eradicating the island's virginity, presumably the female kind, but after rum and a smoke, he might not care which he "swings". He supposedly took his missus but he would say that, wouldn't he?
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
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PHS241 wrote: He supposedly took his missus but he would say that, wouldn't he?
He did... Carribeans are great place to enjoy!
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