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13-Oct-20 22:10

Choir plots surprise day out for kids. (6,4)

OriginalGriff13-Oct-20 22:17

13-Oct-20 22:17

Do they still do those these days? OMG | :OMG:

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5teveH13-Oct-20 22:34

13-Oct-20 22:34

I'm guessing that was too easy for you, then! D'Oh! | :doh:

As an amateur, I'm never sure if my clues are blindingly obvious, or impossible. It's really hard to know.

OriginalGriff wrote:
Do they still do those these days?

I guess not. Frown | :(

I was just reminiscing about the "good old days"! Smile | :)

OriginalGriff13-Oct-20 22:38

13-Oct-20 22:38

5teveH wrote:
I'm never sure if my clues are blindingly obvious, or impossible. It's really hard to know.

I have the same problem! Laugh | :laugh:

Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter13-Oct-20 22:50

Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

13-Oct-20 22:50

My kid had it even with the COVID-19 around, because it was her final year in that institute...

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5teveH14-Oct-20 2:02

14-Oct-20 2:02

It doesn't look like anyone is going to say the actual words. Can we count you as the winner?

OriginalGriff14-Oct-20 2:22

14-Oct-20 2:22

OK - I was going to post the answer just before the 4 hours, but I had a phone call ...

OriginalGriff14-Oct-20 2:23

Re: WSO CCC OTD 2020-10-14 - SOLVED

14-Oct-20 2:23

Choir plots   CHOIRPLOTS
surprise        (anag)

day out for kids.
SCHOOL TRIP

5teveH14-Oct-20 2:35

Programming languages - fun vs. disciplined

14-Oct-20 2:35

We have a winner. Well we've had a winner for quite a while. Smile | :)

Marc Clifton13-Oct-20 8:18

Marc Clifton

13-Oct-20 8:18

My journey through programming was like this:

BASIC - boring
Assembly - loads and loads of fun and really gnarly to debug and write
FORTRAN - the epitome of discipline and the word "fun" doesn't exist at all
PASCAL - more fun than FORTRAN
C - fun if you like memory leaks and overwriting memory you don't own
C++ - fun if you like the problems with C and the discipline of classes and templates
SQL - fun when you get it working, inconsistent discipline, and like lying on a bed of needles until you get that cool SQL to work correctly and in the end you still are left wondering why it works and what the performance issues are
C# - a good balance between fun and discipline
Ruby - fun if you write it yourself, excruciating pain if you have to read someone else's code
Python - fun when doing fun projects like working with Single Board Computers
Javascript - fun if you write it yourself and are disciplined about it, but beware of murderous impulses when fixing other people's code

Prompted from a chat with a coworker who pointed out:

nowadays, frameworks and languages are opting for fun. The most fun it is to write in that language the better.

And yes, I'm biased, as I love C#.

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Gerry Schmitz13-Oct-20 8:43

Gerry Schmitz

13-Oct-20 8:43

I might have been a Delphi programmer if it had been more popular. I stopped looking around after C#.

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Forogar 13-Oct-20 9:15

Forogar

13-Oct-20 9:15

C# became my language of choice fairly early in its career; by version 2.0 certainly; version 3.0 made it my firm favourite.

I first started to find FORTRAN "fun" when Fortran-77 came along. Then the fun was driving my tyrannical boss crazy by using every new feature (especially the ones he didn't understand). He was a badly, self-taught programmer with a huge ego and no actual skill - hs favourite command was the Computed GOTO!

I have been through at least a dozen other languages between then (40+ years ago) and now and C# is the definite winner - although I worry about some of the new changes coming with v9.0.

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RDM Jr13-Oct-20 9:37

RDM Jr

13-Oct-20 9:37

I enjoyed Fortran, much more than I ever enjoyed any other language. C is a somewhat distant second, third place would probably be a tossup between awk and Excel VBA. The rest were just tools, use them where they made sense, or where they were imposed by the corporate overlords (that includes Cobol, PL/I, several flavors of assembler, RPG, SQL, and more proprietary languages than I care to think about).

Sharp Ninja14-Oct-20 3:18

Sharp Ninja

14-Oct-20 3:18

In summer of 2000, I printed the C# language spec on the day of the first public CTP release, went to a coffee shop and read all of it. I then got giddy as a guy stuck between VN6 and Java and knew salvation had come.

Bob Beechey13-Oct-20 21:07

Bob Beechey

13-Oct-20 21:07

I was very fond of Delphi but was very pleased when C# first appeared that it looked like Java but smelled like C#. I still go to Delphi if I want a simple Win32 GUI program.

glennPattonWork314-Oct-20 1:56

glennPattonWork3

14-Oct-20 1:56

The company I worked for pre-covid induced trip to Pub, had a whole load of applications in Delphi, they had to update so went on a quest to find an upto date compiler, last I saw was 2006 there appears to be more upto version... any clues where and how?
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Matt Bond14-Oct-20 2:24

Matt Bond

14-Oct-20 2:24

Embarcadero owns Delphi now and are doing regular releases. They are on version 10.3 now, I think, which is about 28 versions after Delphi 7.

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Bob Beechey14-Oct-20 13:55

Bob Beechey

14-Oct-20 13:55

The latest version is Delphi 10.5 (I am still on 10.3). Check Embarcadero's website. Community (free) edition is downloadable.

David Crow13-Oct-20 10:20

David Crow

13-Oct-20 10:20

GW-BASIC, and then QBasic, for me, were the epitome of fun. I'm glad I started with them. From there I went to Pascal and Modula-2. Those were good educational tools.

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OriginalGriff13-Oct-20 10:25

13-Oct-20 10:25

FORTRAN was fun - at least compared to COBOL which was pretty much the only other "mainstream" language which stood a chance of running on different machines! If you didn't like the operating system, you could change it using COMMON to declare a single integer and then use it as a five dimensional block of characters ... Laugh | :laugh:

Who needed pointers to overwrite memory you didn't own?

Then Algol ... The poor mans Pascal. No fun at all. Pascal wouldn't even crack a smile for Niklaus Wirth!

Then came assembler ... and total control over the machine. Loved it.
Learned C, used that along with assembler (The compilers produced terrible code, and processor speed and memory were both limited)
Played with C++, but even at the beginning, it was trying to be the overcomplicated lump it is now.
Ack! Poo! VB for my sins, which mush have been significant ...

Then C# ... And I still smile when I see it - and damn good language, though it's starting to get messed with by both the C++ mob and the VB fanboise, sadly.

Basically, similar rods; same destination. Big Grin | :-D

Leo5613-Oct-20 21:04

Leo56

13-Oct-20 21:04

re C# - my concerns exactly. Poor language is about to be C++/VB-ified.... Sigh | :sigh:

Slacker00713-Oct-20 11:01

Slacker007

13-Oct-20 11:01

Marc Clifton wrote:
as I love C#.

and for me, that is all that matters...for now.

dandy7213-Oct-20 11:35

dandy72

13-Oct-20 11:35

Marc Clifton wrote:
nowadays, frameworks and languages are opting for fun.

Is that why there's so many frameworks to choose from? Because "fun" is subjective, and everybody has his own interpretation?

PIEBALDconsult13-Oct-20 12:33

PIEBALDconsult

13-Oct-20 12:33

I suppose that a language which enforces discipline would be more fun because of it.
Or maybe the discipline:fun graph is a bell curve?
Languages which enforce too little or too much discipline provide less enjoyment, while there's a sweet-spot with "just" enough discipline to maximize the fun?