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Heck, I can't find a store in this county that has any bullets! I suppose I could swing a gun like a club, or throw it really hard, but shooting one is going to be difficult.
This isn't just the .243 caliber I'm shopping for, but all calibers - even the unpopular ones. Shotguns shells are plentiful, but no rifle or pistol bullets. Walmart has 40 feet of empty shelves where bullets used to live. The local "serious" gun store - the kind where true, toothless old gun nuts hang out to discuss their theories about revolution and mixed race marriages - has 7 boxes of ammo available, none of them useful. No one knows when more will be coming in, nor why the distributors have none to sell them. I checked a few online sources, and some claim to have stock, but that stuff's heavy and expensive to ship. And I have a suspicion that if I place an order, I'll get a confirmation telling me that they'll ship as soon as stock becomes available.
I even looked into reloading. I can order a reloading setup, but it might be 4 to 6 weeks before one ships. Bullets are backordered, though I can get brass immediately. Primers seem to be out of stock, for some reason, and I haven't found a source of smokeless powder anywhere. This is smelling like a conspiracy...
Will Rogers never met me.
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Not conspiracy, executive order... 23 of them to be exact.
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True enough, but this isn't a new thing. I'm hearing from the store clerks that this shortage has been going on since November. Oh well, if I can't get ammo, the bad guys probably can't either...
Will Rogers never met me.
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Unfortunately bad guys only need 1 bullet to do their damage. The shortage doesn't appear to be causing any shortage of shootings in Chicago (where there are no gun or ammo stores, btw).
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wizardzz wrote: (where there are no gun or ammo stores, btw).
But you have the motor car, right?
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and which of these[^] do you think is most likely to cause people to stock up on ammunition ?
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They look like sensible measures put forward by intelligent, mature people, to me. Not a childish knee-jerk in sight.
Ammo hoarding and the responses from pro-gun parties are the exact opposite.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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why, it's almost as if the NRA's constant hyperbolic fear-mongering is good for the bottom lines of its "corporate partners[^]".
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Lobbying works, obviously - influence follows the money, always. Even money stolen from working people to buy the votes of the non-productive. 
Will Rogers never met me.
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lobbying?
nah, the NRA just tells the rubes that the evil men are going to take away their toys, so STOCK UP NOW! and stock up they do.
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That could well be. But I wonder if the manufacturers are, instead, holding back production in the hope that they can jack the price up as the fear level rises. I would... 
Will Rogers never met me.
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Did, by any chance, the rabbits see you come home with your arsenal?
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Nope, there was no bunny home. 
Will Rogers never met me.
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Their scouts saw you and they quickly sent out squads to buy / steal all the ammo. What kind of a company would ever admit that their ammo was taken by rabbits? Just wait until they figure out how to get guns.
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There was ammo at the store a few weeks ago when I went. However, my boss went to Cabela's last weekend and bought the last 3 boxes of 223 in the whole store.
I'm with-holding from my target shooting league until I know I can get more ammo =(
Even the police are having trouble getting ammo.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/suburbs/orland_park/ct-tl-0124-orland-board-meet-0121-20130122,0,6912766.story -my linking is broken for some reason.
Makes you wonder if the Feds were making a good call when they put in that huge order of ammo for themselves.
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How much ammo do the police need?
How many people do they shoot, whilst they're helping and protecting them?
Any policeman who can't resolve 99.9% of calls without resorting to violence should be transferred to one of the despotic states in Africa, where his skills will be more in step with national policy.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Any policeman who can't resolve 99.9% of calls without resorting to violence should be transferred to one of the despotic states in Africa Chicago
I replaced your general statement with an example...
Also, that is where wizardzzz lives.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Enough to be proficient not to accidentally shoot innocent bystanders. If police are carrying, I'd like to know they've shot a few dozen practice rounds on occasion.
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I'd like to know that they won't even draw their guns, if there's a risk of accidentally shooting innocent bystanders.
The purpose of the police is to assist and protect the public, to assist in enforcing the law, and to assist in bringing criminals to justice.
Nowhere in that remit is a requirement for them to shoot people. That's not what they're for.
The police are peace officers, not warriors.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Cool story, come visit Chicago. Take a tour of Englewood or Roseland. You'll see why the police need guns.
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Come and visit a civilised country. You might see what the US is doing wrong.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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You do realize that in most 1st world countries, the police actually do carry guns, right?
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wizardzz wrote: Makes you wonder if the Feds were making a good call when they put in that huge order of ammo for themselves.
The ammo orders from the feds were to be filled over a multi-year period which would have little/no impact on civilian-available supplies.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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