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3-Jan-13 4:31

Aside from being flat broke, they are also about to ban any semi automatic weapon. Rifle, shotgun, handgun, probably slingshot, that usb nerf dart launcher on your desk? Probably illegal soon.

http://www.bizjournals.com/chicago/news/2013/01/03/illinois-assault-weapons-ban-passes.html

Dalek Dave3-Jan-13 4:33

Dalek Dave

3-Jan-13 4:33

Safer you mean?

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puromtec13-Jan-13 4:45

puromtec1

3-Jan-13 4:45

No, less safe. Our non-fire arms crime is also high. Firearms are the private citizen's equalizer against violent criminals.

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C^hris L^osinger3-Jan-13 7:33

C^hris L^osinger

3-Jan-13 7:33

puromtec1 wrote:
Our non-fire arms crime is also high.

how is this an argument for doing nothing about the 65% of murders which are caused by firearms ?

jschell3-Jan-13 8:20

jschell

3-Jan-13 8:20

Chris Losinger wrote:
how is this an argument for doing nothing about the 65% of murders which
are caused by firearms ?

So your claim is that this will in fact completely eliminate that 65%?

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C^hris L^osinger3-Jan-13 8:23

C^hris L^osinger

3-Jan-13 8:23

no, that is not my claim.

jschell4-Jan-13 13:10

jschell

4-Jan-13 13:10

So you don't claim that this specific law will fix that.

Do you think it will impact it in a measurable and significant way?

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C^hris L^osinger7-Jan-13 3:21

C^hris L^osinger

7-Jan-13 3:21

jschell wrote:
So you don't claim that this specific law will fix that.

what i don't claim is your "completely eliminate".

jschell wrote:
Do you think it will impact it in a measurable and significant way?

yes.

Mark_Wallace3-Jan-13 21:12

3-Jan-13 21:12

If you make it harder to murder people, less people will be murdered.

You can't escape the bleeding obvious.

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wizardzz4-Jan-13 4:14

4-Jan-13 4:14

True, but unarmed law abiding citizens are much easier to murder.

Mark_Wallace4-Jan-13 7:58

4-Jan-13 7:58

And it's difficult to steal guns from people who don't own them.

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jschell4-Jan-13 13:13

jschell

4-Jan-13 13:13

Mark_Wallace wrote:
If you make it harder to murder people, less people will be murdered.

You can't escape the bleeding obvious.

Such as the "bleeding obvious" that there are places in the US with very restrictive gun laws and yet which have very high murder rates - by guns.

Or the "bleeding obvious" that although your statement might seem to be generally there is in fact no evidence that the law under discussion will in fact lead to your statement. Actually, as per the previous statement, it is at least somewhat reasonable to suppose that it will have not impact.

Chris C-B3-Jan-13 5:03

Chris C-B

3-Jan-13 5:03

Yup - safer - just like Switzerlend.[^]

Marco Bertschi3-Jan-13 6:03

Marco Bertschi

3-Jan-13 6:03

We don't have it this often. We have more people died in car crashs after speeding than killed by weapons. However, you can always discuss "Is it the weapon which kills people or the one who shoot the weapon is who kills people". Difficult thing...
However, if you want to kill someone you can do it with a gun... or with your bare hands. Doesn't matter, the other guy is dead anyways.

Mark_Wallace3-Jan-13 21:13

3-Jan-13 21:13

"Investigations revealed the man was a known drug addict and former mental health patient, authorities say."

That's not quite the same as the usual report from the US:

"He was a nice chap and a good family man."

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Mark_Wallace3-Jan-13 21:26

3-Jan-13 21:26

Damn, he had a carbine! I missed that on the first read-through.

Now I'm jealous.

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wizardzz3-Jan-13 5:23

3-Jan-13 5:23

Dictatorships tend to have pretty low crime, too.

Jimmy Savile3-Jan-13 22:57

Jimmy Savile

3-Jan-13 22:57

No idea why this was removed. Did people actually report it, or did the admins remove it? If it was the former that is a really sucky indictment of the people that frequent here.

BobJanova3-Jan-13 23:36

BobJanova

3-Jan-13 23:36

Yeah, it wasn't abusive, I don't understand why that was removed. Perhaps people are using 'report' as 'vote 1' and forgetting that it actually gets posts removed?

wizardzz4-Jan-13 3:53

4-Jan-13 3:53

The strange thing is, I didn't receive a single 1 vote here. It must have been removed by admins.

Jimmy Savile4-Jan-13 4:01

Jimmy Savile

4-Jan-13 4:01

Well that's their prerogative, their site an all, but why not move the whole thread to the Soapbox instead of deleting one post and making the whole thread meaningless to anyone else that comes along.

wizardzz4-Jan-13 4:07

Conspiracy theory. Let's create one.

4-Jan-13 4:07

Meanwhile, my joke about socialized healthcare, a joke, was univoted by Reporting 3 times and not removed.

Marco Bertschi3-Jan-13 23:38

Marco Bertschi

3-Jan-13 23:38

Maybe CHM has a script running which automatically removes posts containing the words "US", "gun(s)" and "law" $Shucks | :-\$ . Lets put a conspiracy theory up Suspicious | :suss:

wizardzz4-Jan-13 3:54

4-Jan-13 3:54

See my response to Bob below. I agree with you, it was actually a decently civilized discussion.

wizardzz4-Jan-13 4:16