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I've said it before and I'll say it again, teenagers today (as in our day) get a lot of really bad press, and they don't really deserve it. I've found a lot of youngsters are really reasonable, polite and well behaved. If anybody is guilty of antisocial behaviour, it's us when we demonize kids just because they aren't old enough to vote yet.
Perhaps if we took the time to engage with them, and not treat them as subhuman then we might actually be able to get on with them a bit better. After all, I can honestly say that I was a real sh*t when I was a teenager and I haven't turned out too badly, so let's not assume that these are typical teenagers.
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I've not got time to make a complete reply to the OP deriding their senselessness, so I'll just say this: this reply sums my thoughts up completely.
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I agree with you. I was no angel as a teenager and though I'm still clearly an a**hole I'm a generally nice one who is a productive member of society. 
I don't know what ailed you as a teenager but in my case and all the other little sh*ts I hung out with it was a lack of productive responsible things to do. Teenagers are a vast wasted resource, they would be more than willing to contribute to society positively given something, anything, to do rather than be treated as children until they leave the house.
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I bought a book on raising boys and it talked at length about how boys need a male role model outside the house, and a way to divert their energies productively. That's why apprenticeships are such a good idea. Speaking of such things, I keep meaning to look into sending Calvin to Cubs.....
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I've been approached to act as a mentor for some local kids - they've been after getting local businesspeople in to motivate the youngsters, and I said yes. It'll be about an hour a month - and if that helps, then I'm all for it. The funny thing - I have to have a CRB (Criminal Records Bureau) check to see if I have a criminal record; the nature of what I do in the company means that I've got security clearances coming out of the wahoo and still I need this check, which costs a fair bit of money. A security check is a lot more intense and intrusive than a CRB check, so I'd have thought they could just use that.
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I help out at the kids schools, and the checks they do nowadays are pretty extensive. I took Calvin on a school trip and I was not allowed to have any other child in my car. I'm not sure if they are playing it safe for the kids, or to avoid ever getting sued.
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Christian Graus wrote: I was not allowed to have any other child in my car
I remember field trips for school where parents would sign up to drive, with their own cars, no checks were made on them and us kids would just get into the cars and we were off on the trip. Oh how things have changed...
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Hang on, you're saying that when my son grows up, I can't take him and his friends to good wholesome places?! I can't participate in field trips?! WTF?!!!!
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What you do in your own time, is up to you. If it's run by the school, odds are you won't be able to drive other kids, or if you want to, you will need to get police checks done, etc.
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My guess is that it would depend on where you live. Around here things have changed a little bit, but I went to a small school, my graduating class only had 46 kids  , which helped because everyone knew everyone else. From what I have seen though, schools don't take the kids on near as many field trips as they used to because of many different things, one being the safety issues.
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I think it is due to the fact that people in this country are sue happy.
My kid got a hang nail while he was at the beach on a school field trip. So I am going to sue the school and town and state for pain and suffering ... and then retire at 35 on my million dollar lawsuit winnings.
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Joe Simes wrote: sue happy
I would agree with you 100 percent. A great example is when that lady spilled McDonald's coffee on her and she sued because she was burnt . If this is the case I need to find out who to sue for my sunburn
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Either the weatherman/woman for his/her bad forecast or the clerk at the pharmacy for not selling you suntan lotion with the proper spf!!
Actually sue both of 'em!! Unaccountable bastiges that they are!!
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Oh, you'll still be able to do that!
Only in a private capacity though. Any connection with any (semi) official body - school, youth group etc., verboten.
Except here in the UK, I think you can, if you have been vetted, and you are using an 'official' vehicle.
They are all so scared of being sued into bankruptcy should anything go wrong.
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Yeah and it was like 15 or 20 kids crammed in the station wagon with one adult driver!!
The station wagon with the seat belts stuffed down inside the seats because they were literally a pain in the a** when you sat on them. 
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B-rad A wrote: Oh how things have changed...
And all the changes will do nothing to prevent kids from being harmed by the vanishingly small percentage of the population who are determined to do so. The kids will actually end up worse off when local clubs and activities set up to give them something to do close down when the people running them get fed up with dealing with bureaucracy and throw in the towel.
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Steve_Harris wrote: And all the changes will do nothing to prevent kids from being harmed by the vanishingly small percentage of the population who are determined to do so.
That vast majority of *those* are related to the victim anyway!
I am convinced that abuse etc are at worst marginally higher than decades ago, and likely to be much lower. It's just that we get to hear about all of them now. You grandmother only heard about the bad man in the town.
Your's grumpy in the morning,
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Changing to a slightly more reputable newspaper, and then only picking articles that show a part of society in a bad light, does not increase the credibility of your posts.
I'd be almost willing to bet that if you read the Guardian really carefully, you could have found something that showed teenagers in a good light and posted about that instead.
However, you would still be wrong. Neither article would be truly representative of young people in Britain today.
Henry Minute
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code_wiz wrote: Are these the youth that are going to run the country someday in future?
No. If the paper ran stories like 'child is respectful to parents, does homework and goes to bed on time', then that would more likely be who is going to be a useful member of society one day. This sort of thing happened 20 or 30 years ago, it's just easy when you get a bit older to focus on stories like this and mutter to yourself about 'kids today'. We were not angels when we were kids, some were worse than others, some turned themselves around, and some went on to live in prison. No different today.
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I'm almost 2 years past being a teen, and not in Britain, but I still call that harsh. Really.. The article has a mother killing her daughter, with police doing nothing, with emergency operators doing nothing.. And so on. There's more than just teens to hammer in that article. What you should be asking is "how much do you suck if this is how the youth of Britain are growing up like?". You being randomly selected personage of your choice, imaginary is perfectly acceptable.
And this is Britain, where high pitched frequency signals are put out so teens don't go near the "cool" stores. Although.. This is according to the same newspaper, which seems about as credible as Today Tonight, not sure what the Brit version is, don't care either.
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