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Hi All,
Can anybody tell me or let discuss each other, What should we do at post Valentines day. And good answer will be given full marks. And a chocolate.
Regards,
Mohd. Abdul Aleem, MCA.,
S/W Engineer
Akebono Soft Technologies
aleem_abdul@akebonosoft.com.
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Why, the debts of this would take upto next Valentines day to clear. Am I right?.
S/W Engineer
Akebono Soft Technologies
aleem_abdul@akebonosoft.com.
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If you skipped Valentines day, you took your life into your own hands. ;P
He who laughs last is a bit on the slow side
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How important is it to employers?
Is there an age where if an employer looks at your resume, will start considering if you're too old for the role? Is it better to work permanent then in the long term as opposed to contracting?
Thanks.
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experience is a function of age.
a serious employer will look at experience, and then look at what it will bring to the company.
if for a certain type of work, you have two candidated with both 4 years of experience in the particular field you are looking for, but one candidate have 10 years of previous experience in other fields ( related or not ) and the other who just had one job in that field; the decision will be what you feel that candidate will bring to your company in the short, medium and long term.
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Thanks for the reply, I think the same. However I am more interested in the upper limit of age that employers (if it is a consideration at all) are willing to take in as part of their staff. Is there something as too old, say for example 50's or mid-40's?
For contractors you have to periodically move from an employer to another depending on contract negotiations whereas for permanents you can potentially stay in the same place for the rest of your working life so you are pretty much assured of work until your age of retirement. If you're contracting then maybe if say at age 38 you're contract expires you may not be able to find another gig (contract) or no employer might want to take you in as a permie. In the same situation you won't have to worry if you are the latter (permie).
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ZapBranny wrote: you're contracting then maybe if say at age 38 you're contract expires you may not be able to find another gig (contract) or no employer might want to take you in as a permie. In the same situation you won't have to worry if you are the latter (permie).
As an independent Software Engineer, I find it is easier for me to get work because of my experience. The key, I believe, is that experience is more than lots of exposure to technology but is also "life experience" in the work place and the maturity that comes along with that.
Independents are expensive and potential clients are more likely to hire me (46 years old) at a higher rate than some young kid with 4 years of wiz-bang high tech skills at a lower rate, because the work has to be done correctly the first time. They won't risk failure because the low rate guy doesn't have the "project management experience".
You get what you pay for...
But that is just my "experience."
P.S. As an independent, I'm never looking for someone to take me in as a "permie." The money is to good and I'm not subject to that corporate culture.
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rtalan wrote: As an independent Software Engineer, I find it is easier for me to get work because of my experience. The key, I believe, is that experience is more than lots of exposure to technology but is also "life experience" in the work place and the maturity that comes along with that.
Agreed. I've discovered the same thing.
Us "older" developers get more work done than the younger, less experienced developers not because we know all the "gee whiz" new technology and buzzwords; we know how to make tools work regardless of what they are and that takes experience. My supervisor made the observation that the market has changed in recent years. Instead of wanting to jettison the 50+ age set (which I am approaching) they are wanting to KEEP them because productivity isn't just a matter of which cool tools are being used - it's a matter of knowing which tools to pick and which ones to NOT pick. That takes experience, which takes TIME.
-CB 
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Maximilien wrote: a serious employer will look at experience, and then look at what it will bring to the company.
I would say a talented employer will not rely on once history (how many years of experience an employee is having) to predict the future of him. Rather he/ she should currently evaluate the employee for a given period of time and should be able to predict his tomorrow's contribution to the company.
I have seen people with lots of experience but not productive as a young one with lesser experience. It is not just the experience what matters..
I have a good example for this. In early days fighter jet missiles use to find and attack the jet based on the jet’s history. That is, the missile thrown on to the heat path of the jet and then by driving its direction through the heat path the missile find, hit and destroy the jet. That missile was not that accurate. Today they have improved the technology, where the missile evaluates the jet positioning by considering its present moving direction. At a time missile take the jet’s speed and direction and predict the future position by the time missile hit the jet. There the missile adjust its direction dynamically hence the accuracy of hitting its goal increase a lot.
So the conclusion is that it is better not to rely on once history..
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Colombo,
Sri Lanka.
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 , I have heard this. This is a common sample they use when they want to explain the effectiveness of the new recruitment policy.
L.W.C. Nirosh.
Colombo,
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The older wiser ones have moved away from doing the grunt work and moved onto managing the younger foolish ones.
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Well, I'm (almost) 19 and got no end of work at the moment, but then there aren't a lot of people who can program well down my neck of the woods (South West Wales), there's a local company that I've worked for. Summer 04, 05 and 06 till now because of gap year. First year I was meant to be getting some hardware experience but they found out I could program and since then I get all manner of tasks.
Even if I don't know a particular language / application type they want coded they know I can pick it up quickly enough to roll out the program. I overheard my boss talking to a colleague saying it's nice having me working for them because officially I'm a contractor and am involved more in the research side of things so I don't have to go through all the paperwork they do (medial electronics has lorry loads worth of it) so if I say I can do a project in 3 months, they'd read it as they'd take 12 but usually I'd roll it out in 2.
Ah it's a nice life for the moment
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Ed.Poore wrote: Well, I'm (almost) 19 and got no end of work at the moment
Are you just out of high school? I'm surprised to find out that there are such young people like you actually getting paid to program, that must be great.
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Age is all about your attitude. That's what every elderly person will tell you, and it's true. If you can do the work and you show that your age is not an issue then there reeally is no excuse. Most people tend to approach things with preconceptions of failure -- that is not the way to do it if you want to succeed.
High school in the UK runs to age 16. I was contracting almost full time one month after I left, and all through college. Now I am 23, I own my own company and employ other developers to do exactly the same. There is plenty of opportunity out there for young people.
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David Wulff wrote: Age is all about your attitude. That's what every elderly person will tell you, and it's true. If you can do the work and you show that your age is not an issue then there reeally is no excuse.
Every developer job around here I see advertised requires a bachelors or masters degree.
David Wulff wrote: Now I am 23, I own my own company and employ other developers to do exactly the same. There is plenty of opportunity out there for young people.
I want to start my own company someday. I have always dreamed about starting Henize Software ever since I got interested in programming when I was 12. What kind of software does your company create? When did you start your company?
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Captain See Sharp wrote: Every developer job around here I see advertised requires a bachelors or masters degree.
Full time jobs are different, with shorter contracts you may have more luck.
Captain See Sharp wrote: What kind of software does your company create? When did you start your company?
Our work is split approximately 50% contract and consulting, 30% service, 10% R&D and 10% ISV. Most of our work is in communications (telecommunications and information exchange). The software we create under contract is mainly for internal use by our clients, process and line of business comms apps mainly, but we are developing some in-house products too such as the ASP.NET 2.0 version of our free forum software. The services we run range from lead management tools for estate agents to adult entertainment on mobile phones (a market that is much bigger in this country than yours). The R&D is on our own hardware device (I can't say any more yet).
The company has been trading since 1997, initially as an unregistered alias of an umbrella company, but was incorporated in 2000 when I left school. We split into two legal entities in 2004 (service and software) but still operate day-to-day as one.
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Yeah finished my A-Levels last year was meant to be in uni this year but had the cancer so took a year out and they offered me a job throughout the year but I'm working from home now because they don't want the liability if I get an infection in the workplace.
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Ed.Poore wrote: I don't have to go through all the paperwork they do (medial electronics has lorry loads worth of it)
(Presuming you meant medical electronics)...so, they're well prepared for the law-suits if their machine's the next Therac 25[^], then....I'm involved with safety-critical software as well and I reckon your boss must have big cojones if he's happy to accept software projects without an audit trail demonstrating that you've worked to a quality process (as I'm quite sure you have).
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Well up until this year their systems have not been involved with PCs everything is embedded and I havn't really dealt with that. That being said all my software apart from one prorgam has been for internal use. The latest one just completed was a database which is duplicating a paper based system (they have to keep the paper records for ISO9000 compliance), that's more of a useful thing rather than critical since it just allows them to search through their paper trail rather than replace it.
The only one which has been released to the public was a programmer for one of their systems and all it really did was dump data line by line down a serial port, all the checking etc was done on the system (because their IrDA link isn't very reliable).
The latest project involves controlling their systems[^] over the web and at the moment it's in a research phase so it's more important to show something cool to the bosses that works for the demo than for concrete reliability. The project hasn't officially had the go-ahead from the big bosses but my boss, the boss of R&D is pushing ahead of it (and I'm bl**dy project manager, but at the moment the only one working on it).
Hopefully the quality assurance will come after I leave for Uni so they can take over the brunt of it  , then if I return during the summer (going to try & get sponsorship from them) I'll just be helping doing more research & interesting stuff rather than the tedious stuff 
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