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toxcct wrote: so what can be done against such thieves ?
We can take legal action against them. And we can also publicly post about such companies, so people know them for the frauds that they really are.
These guys claim to be an offshore outsourcing company. Can you think of a single reason why anyone would want to send work to a group of remorseless lying thieves such as these?
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i mean, concretely, what can be done ?
what "legal actions" can be taken ?
how to ensure of their profile (what if they were also lying on who is managing these web sites) ?
and how to ensure that they will be punished for their fault ?
i'm probably not knowing enough about internet privacy, thus my questions...
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toxcct wrote: i mean, concretely, what can be done ?
what "legal actions" can be taken ?
In India, next to nothing if you want to take the legal route. The verdicts in the 1993 Mumbai bomb blasts case were handed down a month back. Somebody copying articles off a webpage pales in comparison to that.
To reiterate, if you want to take the legal route, next to nothing. There are, of course, other means... 
Cheers,
Vıkram.
Be yourself, no matter what they say.
- Sting, Englishman in New York.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote: There are, of course, other means...
Vikram,
But we have to use the other course very carefully. Very often these guys have money power and muscle power so that they can 'purchase' anyone and whatever to wreck havoc on us. I think, the best one being 'Turn a blind eye' and keep silent. Let Time answer the query. We are in India which is filled with rampant bureucratic red tape corrupt politicians and I don't think we can be able to fight with others.
I have shared my personal experience in a politics-driven small software company life sometime about three years back over here:
http://deepakvasudevan.blogspot.com/2004/03/life-at-c-s-software-11-august-2001-to.html[^]
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Here is the content of an email I received today from *******@mypacks.net, probably based on the threads in CP and assuming I own the site BuzzyXXXX:
Hello, you plagiarizing monkey. You disgust me, and probably all
decent developers in the US. You Indian punks can't do it yourself, so you
and your partners steal others' ideas, call them your own, make money
off of the sweat of others.
You pig.
I just wanted to point out how much damage couple of mis leading threads in CP caused us. While BuzzyXXXX is definitely a website containing copied articles, we have no association with that site. Today I informed Logic Labs that I will discontinue my outsourcing partnership (which contributes a signficant revenue of Logic Labs) with them unless they shutdown Buzzyxxxx. According to them, Logic Labs was outsourced by someone to develop and maintain the site and they cannot shut it down. But they have agreed to remove ALL ARTICLES soon and rebuild the site.
- Tony John
dotnetspider.com
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Since it is an Indian website, I think, I am trying to see if we can approach the Intellectual Property Infringments in India or CyberCrime cell for a redressal.
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Apparently some guy from Malawi wrote identical code to mine, I sure hopes he takes over the support :p
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I notice too that the site hosts a lot of Google Ads. Since the site is then generating revenue for both the site owner and Google, shouldn't Google also bear some responsibility for ensuring that IP rights are being protected? I would think that once Google Ads were removed, the owner would no longer have a reason for doing the copying in the first place. It seems to me that while Google are not explicitly involved with the copy operation, they are implicitly involved and should at least be made aware of that.
Chris Meech
I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar]
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Google is in the business lately of absolving itself of any responsibility for anything. I guess the "do no evil" thing only goes so far and the right lawyers can come up with an infinite number of definitions for the word evil.
"I don't want more choice. I just want better things!" - Edina Monsoon
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nah, google's lawyers only need one def. Evil(tm) is what we don't do.
--
You have to explain to them [VB coders] what you mean by "typed". their first response is likely to be something like, "Of course my code is typed. Do you think i magically project it onto the screen with the power of my mind?" --- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
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The prizes they offer are a bit underwhelming:
http://www.dotnetspider.com/gifts/Winners.aspx[^]
I don't know about anybody else, but I don't think I'd go to the bother of plagurising CP articles for the "Semi Annual Super Gift (Memory Sticks)"
"It was the day before today.... I remember it like it was yesterday."
-Moleman
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Yes, considering that their outsourcing unit is the same (Logics Lab, Cochin) - it seems pretty certain that they are the same company or are at least very closely involved partners.
See http://www.dotnetspider.com/team/SpiderTeam.aspx[^]
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar (regular CPian) is one of their 3 Spider team members. Perhaps he can throw more light on the affair.
Buzzy Code is clearly a plagiarist website, maintaining fake author profiles and stealing code/articles/intellectual property from Codeproject and other websites.
By being closely associated with Buzzy Code (via the common outsourcing department) DotNetSpider is losing credibility in my eyes.
Vasudevan : can you throw some light on this?
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote: See http://www.dotnetspider.com/team/SpiderTeam.aspx[^]
So we've found our mole:
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
Or is that a very common name in India? Nope - profile pictures here and there are of the same individual.
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I keep myself as frank as possible. I don't think I have ever attempted this mean base act of plagarism any time. 
J4amieC wrote: So we've found our mole:
It is a bit hurting on this classification of 'espionage' But I don't think moles would keep thier profiles transparent. Wouldn't they?
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Nish,
I have been personally reporting this time and again to webmaster (at) dotnetspider.com. You can also report to Tony John, the webmaster of Dotnetspider (tonyjohn (at) yahoo.com).
I have been personally reporting quite a few of the articles to be vehemently plagairizing. Compared to the speed of my reporting, the number of articles that are being taken down, is of course a bit slow.
For example, this article is a direct ripoff of EggHeadCafe article, which I know for more than 3 years:
FAKE ARTICLE:
http://www.dotnetspider.com/kb/Article2602.aspx[^]
ORIGINAL ARTICLE:
http://www.eggheadcafe.com/articles/20030418.asp[^]
The good thing about the original article is that simple three keywords 'preventing multiple logins' in Google and 'I am Feeling Lucky' should be able to get you to it.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote: By being closely associated with Buzzy Code (via the common outsourcing department) DotNetSpider is losing credibility in my eyes.
The good thing about Dotnetspider is that it can help just freshers who are out of College to get up to speed in discussion boards. A quick tour of the Questions section would reveal a bit of amateurish queries posted. This comes, irrespective of the fact, that I try my level best in guiding them on the best ways to use discussion forums. I try to give both the 'Forum Guidelines' article URL and/or my first article there (inspired by the messages itself): http://www.dotnetspider.com/kb/Article1703.aspx[^]
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Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote: The good thing about Dotnetspider is that it can help just freshers who are out of College to get up to speed in discussion boards. A quick tour of the Questions section would reveal a bit of amateurish queries posted. This comes, irrespective of the fact, that I try my level best in guiding them on the best ways to use discussion forums. I try to give both the 'Forum Guidelines' article URL and/or my first article there (inspired by the messages itself): http://www.dotnetspider.com/kb/Article1703.aspx[^]
Who cares?
I'd be interested in knowing why you are associated with the site, even after knowing there are plagiarized articles and the management is "OK" with it.
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero
.·´¯`·->ßRÅhmmÃ<-·´¯`·.
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Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:
I have been personally reporting this time and again to webmaster (at) dotnetspider.com. You can also report to Tony John, the webmaster of Dotnetspider (tonyjohn (at) yahoo.com).
Tony John? Is that a nickname? It's a bit strange for a 'legitimate' site to use fake names like that with a yahoo address.
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Zoltan Balazs wrote: Tony John? Is that a nickname? It's a bit strange for a 'legitimate' site to use fake names like that with a yahoo address.
It's a very common name for Christians from Kerala (my state in India)
My dad's best friend from his school days is named Mathew John (which most westerners would think would be a fake name). And when I was in school, we had a George Thomas as well as a Thomas George in class.
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I know it's a long shot, but would that be the Thomas George from CP?
Cheers,
विक्रम.
Be yourself, no matter what they say.
- Sting, Englishman in New York.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote: George Thomas
My classmate at VIT (http://www.vit.ac.in/[^]) was Livingston George. He is also in Atlanta now. You are also in Atlanta now. Isn't it Nish?
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That's a fairly common name amongst Indian Christians.
Cheers,
विक्रम.
Be yourself, no matter what they say.
- Sting, Englishman in New York.
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Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote: The good thing about Dotnetspider is that it can help just freshers who are out of College to get up to speed in discussion boards.
That may be true, but dotnetspider and buzzycode both seem to be the same core company (logicslab). logicslab and buzzycode are 100% plagiarists and their plagiarism even goes to the extent of creating fake profiles. Why is Tony John associating himself with those 2 companies? Or does he own those two companies too?
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