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Hehe, I was wondering when someone was going to ask me that. My official name is "Steven-Mustafa Ismail Mustafa".
Steven-Mustafa being my first name, Ismail being my father's name and Mustafa being the Family name.
If you're wondering why Steven is there, its because my mother is a Canadian and so am I  .
Well, half and half (my other half is obviously Arab)
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Wonder why I got voted 1 for asking you this question?
Honestly, there are some genuine cranks posting in this forum. They remind me of those little dogs that bark their arses of whenever someone comes too close to "their" property, yapping and snapping at any little thing of which they don't 100% approve of. Think I should leave a doggy-treat with every post, maybe that will divert their attention from the actual post.
Anyway...
Is it a custom to add your fathers name and your family name to your own name?
Is this the name on your ID book/passport? Meaning, is this your official name? I also inherited my name from my father, and generations of men before him with that same name.
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evilnoodle wrote: Wonder why I got voted 1 for asking you this question?
I didn't vote at all.
evilnoodle wrote: Is it a custom to add your fathers name and your family name to your own name?
Yes it is. To understand the Arab mentality better, you have to accept that to this day they can be quite "clannish". Obviously it depends on the family and the region and the background and what not, but the general rule applies. Older families boast that they can trace their ancestry for whatever number of years and so and so is an ancient predecessor that has done this and that. Genealogy is a BIGdeal with some Arabs.
evilnoodle wrote: Is it a custom to add your fathers name and your family name to your own name?
It is when it comes to Arabic passport/official documents (obviously I have dual citizenship, Jordanian and Canadian). My full name in my Jordanian passport is:
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa Mustafa | My name, Dad's name, Grand Pa's name, Family name.
and for my Canadian passport:
Steven-Mustafa Mustafa | My name, Family name.
I tell ya, it was hell making sense of it when I was a kid. 
Btw, I met a Scotsman once by the name of McGregor McGregor and a Japanese friend oft mine tells me that the same thing happens in Japan (less and less these days). I can also tell you that the same happens in the greater Middle East (All Arab Countries, Iran, Pakistan, Turkey, Italy, Greece, Albania etc.) Also, religion does not play any role in it.
And this is old beyond belief.
If you have anymore questions I'd be more than happy to answer them for you
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote: It is when it comes to Arabic passport/official documents (obviously I have dual citizenship, Jordanian and Canadian). My full name in my Jordanian passport is:
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa Mustafa | My name, Dad's name, Grand Pa's name, Family name.
and for my Canadian passport:
Steven-Mustafa Mustafa | My name, Family name.
So Steven doesn't even feature in your Jordanian passport, neither does Ismail in your Canadian passport. That seems like a big loop-hole in the system to me, your official full name should (as far as I'm concerned) not change over borders.
What do your friends and family call you?
PS. See below, I added the treat!
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evilnoodle wrote: So Steven doesn't even feature in your Jordanian passport, neither does Ismail in your Canadian passport. That seems like a big loop-hole in the system to me, your official full name should (as far as I'm concerned) not change over borders.
Very true. It has caused me troubles no end. My [extended]family knows me by both names (incidentally, the same applies to my brother (Neil-Nabil)), but you try explain this to the majority of the population (don't get me started on government officials). It just doesn't register. The funniest was last May when I was getting married, haha, the judge just sat there with the a look that clearly said WTF?
The Canadian Government recognizes that such things might happen in other countries and so it provides a declaration of personae (i think that's what its called) which basically acts as a bridge saying that so and so is recognized to be the same person as so and so and here's the list of documents that prove it.
Any way, its a hassle but it does have its positive moments.
evilnoodle wrote: What do your friends and family call you?
Family and the Wife call me "Safi" which is my nickname since I was a kid (it means pure). My friends call me either Steve(n) or Mustafa depending whether they are eastern or western (in some cases, it depends on perspective and ease of pronunciation). My Mother in law (she's half English half Scottish) is the only one that calls me Steven-Mustafa (she's horrified that I spell Steven with a v).
PS. Love the treat, it gave me a good chuckle 
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The first time I came across a guy with the same first and last names was with Jerome K Jerome (Three Men in a Boat is awesome, in case you haven't read it).
Do Arabs always use two middle names, the father's and the grandfather's? Marathis use FirstName MiddleName LastName, where MiddleName is *always* the father's FirstName. For instance, the A in my name stands for Anand, my father's first name (I shortened it here; it's too unwieldy). So if I have a son and I name him, say, Mukund, his name would be Mukund Vikram Punathambekar.
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Hmmm, yes and no. A long time ago it was in the format of name (son of|daughter of) father's name of clan's name. This is still used informally in the Levant and is still used in the Gulf Area, Iraq and the Arab countries west of Libya.
However, the official (as in governmental documents) is always in the format of name father's name father's father's name and family name. That said, when I introduce myself to someone here its almost always in the 3 name format name father's name and family name though recently some people are using the western format of first name and last name only.
Is it the same of all Indian sub cultures? I say sub-cultures because I know that India is very rich in cultures all referred to as Indian.
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You are remarkably perceptive.
What I said is by no means applicable to all Indians. There are simply too many styles - the Tamils use no surname at all, the Andhras (Telugus) use Surname FirstName or S. FirstName CasteName (where the surname is simply shortened to S.), the Gujaratis use the same format as us Marathis, the Malayalis use FirstName LastName or FirstName CasteName (they are also strange in that surnames were inherited from the mother's side, though they have largely become patrilineal now), etc. And I haven't even talked about the Punjabis, the Sindhis, the UP bhaiyyas, the Bengalis, the Kannadigas, the Kashmiris, the Oriyas, and the other dozens of cultures....  Even this[^] isn't exhaustive.
Variety is TRULY the spice of life. I can't understand why bigots like John Simmons don't like it when Mexican immigrants talk Spanish amongst themselves in his presence. He even got a load of 5s for saying that. "You are in John Simmons' presence. You must now talk in English!" ? 
Cheers, Vikram.
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Dude, you live in a country that is just a complete fusion of so many cultures. What do you expect from a red-neck? You haven't lived in the states, you don't know how ugly it can be when people recognize you're different. People call me Steve there all the time and the moment they find out I have Arab blood in me, they just walk away, never will you see anything so rude. When they find out I'm a muslim and they automatically assume I'm a terrorist and that I've already killed some people. Its sick.
JS is a very very mild case. He gets a kick out of doing this, fine let him be. People forget we're all human in the end.
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I'm sorry to hear about how you've been treated. Has Canada been kinder?
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote: JS is a very very mild case.
OK. 
Cheers, Vikram.
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Canada and Europe are infinitely better than the States. I possibly make it sound worse than it is but the fact remains that bigotry is rampant over there. Just look to the news and see how many racist issues occur. Look at the way their current president is handling things.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote: Look at the way their current president is handling things.
Well, that can be hardly understated. Last week, he blamed the food crisis on Indians' increased consumption. Any fool knows the per capita consumption in the US is FAR higher than in India. Now he wants us to go hungry so they can pig out even more?
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Sorry for this very late reply Vikram, my only excuse is that I've been away from a computer almost all day today.
Well, nothing surprises me anymore regarding this guy. Honestly, I don't think it could get any worse, he is as dumb as it gets.
Dude, you've got my gmail, if you're free let's chat on gtalk.
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But this isn't college and this is a PG board so I will keep them to myself.
Actually, if you really want to go all out add real creamer + alum. It will be hard for him to detect why everything is going so wrong.
(BTW, http://www.fda.gov/opacom/laws/fedatact.htm)
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Judging by your suggestions so far the "creamer" is actually that petroleum based powdered sh*t, if that's the case I don't really see what you can put in there that's any worse than that stuff. I suggest real cream just to freak him out.
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Fill the container with some form of sci-fi inverse reality serum. As he puts his hand in, the container morphs into an inverse world, with its own ecosystem and population. Remove the hand and the jar reverts to creamer. You could have a whole world in the container, heards of micro-wildebeast trapsing across the creamer looking for watering holes, their young, eager to drink from the cool water careless of the hidden croc that is always there. Just as the croc pounces, your mate puts in his hand, pierces the inverse reality envelope and the baby wildebeast grows teeth the size of a Toyota Micra, and the tables suddenly turn. This time it is the croc that is dragged kicking and screaming onto dry land, David Attenbrough hiding behind Kate Ade, commentating on the whole affair. He removes his hand and the tables turn once more. Out on dry land, the croc, whilst less stable suddendly gets the upper hand and the baby wildebeest attempts a retreat, only to get its feet stuck in the creamer where it got wet from the splashing of the croc as it was ripped from the water. A quick glance across the watering hole, and there is David Bowie, face painted slightly clown like, singing Ashes To Ashes. Your mate puts his hand in once more, and the inverse reality becomes sentient, and has a mind of it's own. No longer will it be kept in a creamer jar, it infuses itself into your mates arm, and his arm becomes a living world for the denizens of good and evil. Epic wars are fought, won and lost between his elbow and wrist. Years melt into millenia on the arm, as just a few seconds pass in yoru friends meagre life. The croc and the wildebeest are a distant memory....
That would be fun.
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I want some of what you've taken today.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote: Any suggestions?
Yes, passing on the joke altogether.
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You're welcome.
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