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That sounds better. I guess the documentation was just old.. Although it appears a few of these 8 MB drives still exist..
John
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That's ok, I figured it out! 
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-Sam Levenson
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Maxtor got bought by Seagate. What it did to the quality of both brands is hard to say.
Western Digital is still a separate entity.
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oops, your right! i got it mixed up a bit
JazzJackRabbit wrote: What it did to the quality of both brands is hard to say.
agreed, which is why i wouldnt take the chance of putting a MAXTOR in my box
for the record ive had issues with WD aswell as maxtor...
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Seagate made a bad batch for MacBook and MacBook Pros a year or so again. Mine died horribly and so did my girlfriend's.
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Ditto on the Seagate. Been using them for a long time, and never had any data loss. The 7200.11 drives are also great performers. Check out Tom's Hardware charts for some benchmarks.
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I would suggest WD GP 1TB drives. They spin at 5400 RPM which means they run very cool to the point where they don't need active cooling and they run quiet, yet they are still fast enough to do everything except most demanding tasks.
Whatever you decide, stay away from Samsung 1TB drives. Samsung made some excellent drives in the past such as 2504C, HD321KJ and 500 series, but there are some questions about their F1 drives reliability.
Most of the Hitachi 1TB drives use 5 platters which means very high heat and very high noise. As far as I know Hitachi drives also support dynamic speed control, meaning drives slows down from nominal 7200RPM speed to conserve energy and lower noise, which is certainly nice, but I still wouldn't buy them. The newest Hitachi drives that have been recently announced (I think it's called 7K1000.B) have only 3 platters, but I'm not sure you can buy those yet.
As far as I know all current Seagate 1TB drives have four platters. Which makes them middle of the road between F1 and Hitachi.
Currently WD offers more choices than anybody else, it has 7200RPM four platter 1TB drives as well as 4 platter (3 platters in the newest revision) 5400RPM drives, along with the usual plethora of "enterprise" or "black" edition hard drives.
Anyway, it looks like you're looking for a media/backup drive, for which WD GP 1TB drive would be a perfect solution. They are quiet, cool running and pretty fast, especially latest 00D6B0 revision which only has 3 platters instead of original 4.
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Nice post! Exactly what I was looking for. Coolness appears to be an important factor and ultimate speed isn't so this is very likely the way I'll go.
Thanks for the information.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it."
-Sam Levenson
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How does the number of platters affect the heat produced?
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More platters usually means that the rotating part is heavier, has more friction and air resistance so there is a bigger load on the motor to keep the platters spinning so that in theory translates into more heat being produced. I know my 4 platter Seagates use 8W while idle (since I can measure that). Not sure about the new WD drives I do not have a single one of them.
John
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Very interesting, thank you!
“Cannot find REALITY.SYS...Universe Halted.”
~ God on phone with Microsoft Customer Support
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Are you sold on drive volume or speed? Obviously dependability is a factor but I've never had problems with seagate or WD. To me that boils down to are you a ford or a chevy person? Everybody has had their own experiences for or against one or the other. The WD VelociRaptor is the best drive out there imo but they are pricey for the amount of space you get. I guess it would all depend on what you prefer. Personally, I have two of those and that's all I'm going to need for a few years. Love 'em to death. 
"The shortest distance between two points is under construction"
-Noelie ALtito
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We have err... about 50-60TB or hard drives at work and I have used Seagate NS types for nearly three years.
There has been one failure through being dropped a few times and three zapped by static (geek damage!), no operating failures.
At the end of a Seagate part number you will usually see AS for a normal desktop drive, NS for a network drive or CS for a consumer drive.
The NS have much longer life under heavy use and the CS run a lot cooler since they are meant for set top boxes and ventilation is a big problem with these.
I would suggest a NS drive for the backup (you are backing this up) and a CS for the Popcorn.
Elaine ![Rose | [Rose]](/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
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Thanks Elaine, these drives seem to be ideal for media purposes:
http://www.westerndigital.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=388&language=en[^]
I'm not backing it up at all, it's a place to dump huge stuff that's either already backed up or can be regenerated if necessary and is nice to have available live without restoring or downloading from our server in California. Stuff I keep floating around on our pc's but is just wasting space right now. (Aside from all the media purposes it can be put to of course.  )
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it."
-Sam Levenson
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The MTBF looks good and the CE looks like a a cool running model which should help keep the heat down.
Let me know how it goes.
Elaine
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Thanks Elaine, cheers!
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it."
-Sam Levenson
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If you want a good deal on the WD 1TB drives, consider getting them via an eBay seller, using Paypal, after having setup a Microsoft Live.com cashback account. You can get 25% back from MSFT, netting you 1TB drives for around $100-$110.
Assuming you've a Paypal account:
-- Signup w/MSFT cashback here (if needed): http://search.live.com/cashback[^]
-- Search for WD10EACS here: http://www.live.com/[^]
-- In the sponsored links, you should see "Buy Wd10eacs. You may get 25% off with PayPal if eligible.". Clicky it.
-- Select a buyer with "Buy It Now", and low shipping. ie: spartantech[^]
Make sure at all steps you see the "Microsoft Cashback 25%" logo. I just bought six of 'em this way.
Enjoy!
-- Ian
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John C wrote:
Trouble is I came across all sorts of conflicting info on Seagate vs Western Digital vs what have you.
The Hard Drives that fail at work are ALWAYS Western Digital. 50/50 between the controller electronics and the drive itself. We now specify all new computers NOT have WD drives when we can.
Gary
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You know your location is desperate for news when an email to everyone is entitled "Flat Tire on Car Parked in the Parking Lot"
whoa! there's some scary news there! admittedly it would be nice to know, maybe someone could help you change it.... still, I've speed-changed many a flat-tire desperate to get home, full-sized or tonka-tire sized. Next thing you know we'll hear about a rattlesnake crossing the road.... <loudspeaker>Clean up on Owen Road!</loudspeaker>
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Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau.
Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
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"Cat stuck in tree" is the iconic slow news day reference.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it."
-Sam Levenson
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cat chased up tree by rattlesnake... news at 11.
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Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau.
Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
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snake chases cat up tree. Stupid cop shoots at snake and missed it only to hit a kid several hundred yards downrange. 
Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots.
-- Robert Royall
modified on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 4:39 PM
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dan neely wrote: several hundred years downrange.
cop had a time machine? Interstellar event?
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Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots.
-- Robert Royall
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Rob Graham wrote: cop had a time machine? Interstellar event?
Shhhh you were NOT supposed to notice that. Dan slipped. we do not experiment with time and everyone knows it.... 
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