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John M. Drescher wrote: with just peanuts around them
The dry roasted ones have no impact absorbancy whatsoever. Make sure they pack the next one using the salted ones. 
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Depends how much air there is in the bag!
DoEvents: Generating unexpected recursion since 1991
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i dont know about the 1TB drives...
but from my personal experience i wont trust anything other that a seagate drive. Ive never come across a dead one (and i have old 500mb , 1gig and 2gig drives by the crate load) or had any troubles with them.
I have how ever had Western Digital drives die on me, controller boards overheating and blowing for no apparent reason.
I heard that Western Digital got bought by Seagate, so the quality of their drives might have changed but i wouldn't take that chance.
So my vote goes to Seagate 
Harvey Saayman - South Africa
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I just ordered this[^] an hour back, if that's any help.
-- edit
Oh dang! I replied to the wrong post! Oh well, just your average run-of-the-mill unmistakable sign of inexorably advancing senility I guess..
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http://blogorama.nerdworks.in[ ^]
-- Number Two's eyes narrowed and became what are known in the Shouting and Killing People trade as cold slits, the idea presumably being to give your opponent the impression that you have lost your glasses or are having difficulty keeping awake. Why this is frightening is an, as yet, unresolved problem. -- HHGTG modified on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 4:54 PM
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im assuming you replayed to the wrong message?
Harvey Saayman - South Africa
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you.suck = (you.passion != Programming)
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Yes, I did. And as it invariably does, a second after I'd hit submit! 
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http://blogorama.nerdworks.in[ ^]
-- Number Two's eyes narrowed and became what are known in the Shouting and Killing People trade as cold slits, the idea presumably being to give your opponent the impression that you have lost your glasses or are having difficulty keeping awake. Why this is frightening is an, as yet, unresolved problem. -- HHGTG
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Equipped with 8 MB cache buffer for improved performance
Hmm. If that is true it means the drive is probably 2 to 3 years old since no company makes drives with only 8MB buffers anymore. 32 MB is the new standard...
[EDIT]it looks like they still make a few 8MB models.[/EDIT]
John
modified on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 4:40 PM
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I guess, it serves me right for being too lazy to research the thing out enough! The "Tech Specs" tab on that site says the buffer size is 16 MB though.
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-- Number Two's eyes narrowed and became what are known in the Shouting and Killing People trade as cold slits, the idea presumably being to give your opponent the impression that you have lost your glasses or are having difficulty keeping awake. Why this is frightening is an, as yet, unresolved problem. -- HHGTG
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That sounds better. I guess the documentation was just old.. Although it appears a few of these 8 MB drives still exist..
John
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That's ok, I figured it out!
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it."
-Sam Levenson
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Maxtor got bought by Seagate. What it did to the quality of both brands is hard to say.
Western Digital is still a separate entity.
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oops, your right! i got it mixed up a bit
JazzJackRabbit wrote: What it did to the quality of both brands is hard to say.
agreed, which is why i wouldnt take the chance of putting a MAXTOR in my box
for the record ive had issues with WD aswell as maxtor...
Harvey Saayman - South Africa
Junior Developer
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you.suck = (you.passion != Programming)
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Seagate made a bad batch for MacBook and MacBook Pros a year or so again. Mine died horribly and so did my girlfriend's.
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Ditto on the Seagate. Been using them for a long time, and never had any data loss. The 7200.11 drives are also great performers. Check out Tom's Hardware charts for some benchmarks.
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I would suggest WD GP 1TB drives. They spin at 5400 RPM which means they run very cool to the point where they don't need active cooling and they run quiet, yet they are still fast enough to do everything except most demanding tasks.
Whatever you decide, stay away from Samsung 1TB drives. Samsung made some excellent drives in the past such as 2504C, HD321KJ and 500 series, but there are some questions about their F1 drives reliability.
Most of the Hitachi 1TB drives use 5 platters which means very high heat and very high noise. As far as I know Hitachi drives also support dynamic speed control, meaning drives slows down from nominal 7200RPM speed to conserve energy and lower noise, which is certainly nice, but I still wouldn't buy them. The newest Hitachi drives that have been recently announced (I think it's called 7K1000.B) have only 3 platters, but I'm not sure you can buy those yet.
As far as I know all current Seagate 1TB drives have four platters. Which makes them middle of the road between F1 and Hitachi.
Currently WD offers more choices than anybody else, it has 7200RPM four platter 1TB drives as well as 4 platter (3 platters in the newest revision) 5400RPM drives, along with the usual plethora of "enterprise" or "black" edition hard drives.
Anyway, it looks like you're looking for a media/backup drive, for which WD GP 1TB drive would be a perfect solution. They are quiet, cool running and pretty fast, especially latest 00D6B0 revision which only has 3 platters instead of original 4.
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Nice post! Exactly what I was looking for. Coolness appears to be an important factor and ultimate speed isn't so this is very likely the way I'll go.
Thanks for the information.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it."
-Sam Levenson
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How does the number of platters affect the heat produced?
“Cannot find REALITY.SYS...Universe Halted.”
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More platters usually means that the rotating part is heavier, has more friction and air resistance so there is a bigger load on the motor to keep the platters spinning so that in theory translates into more heat being produced. I know my 4 platter Seagates use 8W while idle (since I can measure that). Not sure about the new WD drives I do not have a single one of them.
John
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Very interesting, thank you!
“Cannot find REALITY.SYS...Universe Halted.”
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Are you sold on drive volume or speed? Obviously dependability is a factor but I've never had problems with seagate or WD. To me that boils down to are you a ford or a chevy person? Everybody has had their own experiences for or against one or the other. The WD VelociRaptor is the best drive out there imo but they are pricey for the amount of space you get. I guess it would all depend on what you prefer. Personally, I have two of those and that's all I'm going to need for a few years. Love 'em to death. 
"The shortest distance between two points is under construction"
-Noelie ALtito
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We have err... about 50-60TB or hard drives at work and I have used Seagate NS types for nearly three years.
There has been one failure through being dropped a few times and three zapped by static (geek damage!), no operating failures.
At the end of a Seagate part number you will usually see AS for a normal desktop drive, NS for a network drive or CS for a consumer drive.
The NS have much longer life under heavy use and the CS run a lot cooler since they are meant for set top boxes and ventilation is a big problem with these.
I would suggest a NS drive for the backup (you are backing this up) and a CS for the Popcorn.
Elaine ![Rose | [Rose]](/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
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Thanks Elaine, these drives seem to be ideal for media purposes:
http://www.westerndigital.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=388&language=en[^]
I'm not backing it up at all, it's a place to dump huge stuff that's either already backed up or can be regenerated if necessary and is nice to have available live without restoring or downloading from our server in California. Stuff I keep floating around on our pc's but is just wasting space right now. (Aside from all the media purposes it can be put to of course.  )
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it."
-Sam Levenson
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The MTBF looks good and the CE looks like a a cool running model which should help keep the heat down.
Let me know how it goes.
Elaine
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Thanks Elaine, cheers!
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it."
-Sam Levenson
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If you want a good deal on the WD 1TB drives, consider getting them via an eBay seller, using Paypal, after having setup a Microsoft Live.com cashback account. You can get 25% back from MSFT, netting you 1TB drives for around $100-$110.
Assuming you've a Paypal account:
-- Signup w/MSFT cashback here (if needed): http://search.live.com/cashback[^]
-- Search for WD10EACS here: http://www.live.com/[^]
-- In the sponsored links, you should see "Buy Wd10eacs. You may get 25% off with PayPal if eligible.". Clicky it.
-- Select a buyer with "Buy It Now", and low shipping. ie: spartantech[^]
Make sure at all steps you see the "Microsoft Cashback 25%" logo. I just bought six of 'em this way.
Enjoy!
-- Ian
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