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Kevin McFarlane

5:06 2 Sep '08

OK, go for the web app. then. You can always jazz it up later with Ajax. The membership and roles api is pretty cool. Although initially I started trying to do things that were already done for me!

If you get into CSS and JavaScript debugging then nothing beats the excellent Firebug extension for Firefox. It got me out of CSS and JavaScript hell numerous times. If you can't or won't use FF then you'll need to make do with IE Developer Toolbar or Firebug Lite for IE.

Kevin

Hamed Mosavi

6:10 2 Sep '08

Thanks. I already have FireBug installed and inspected a few hundred websites! "In the end it's a little boy expressing himself." Yanni
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Rocky Moore

4:55 2 Sep '08

Could get cutting, bleeding, falling off the world, edge and go Silverlight which gives you web and even compatible for Mac. Then a couple lines of code and you have a desktop app in WPF. Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: More on Windows Live Writer..
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Hamed Mosavi

5:03 2 Sep '08

If I had to use silverlight, I would probably use ~~macromedia~~ Adobe flash instead. But I believe for this project all asp.net provides is enough, for client side I'm not expert in java script but I understand it so having a book as a refrence I'll probably can write enough or use some Ajax components instead. Remaining UI will use html and css only. So neither Silverlight, nor WPF. Big Grin

"In the end it's a little boy expressing himself." Yanni

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John C

5:40 2 Sep '08

No matter how you slice it you will find asp.net more restrictive in what you can do. We opted for a full featured windows form app with an asp.net interface as an optional add-on with more limited functionality. Two examples: our reporting component features an end user report designer but you can only design reports using a winform interface though you can print them from asp.net or winforms. Another part of our app is a very sophisticated filtering system that can be used in grids (we're talking about a *lot* of data here). The UI for constructing filters can not be used in asp.net so we've had to make it so users can create filters in winforms, save them then in asp.net they can choose a saved filter just not construct a new one.

Also users are much more comfortable with just instaling a desktop app then they are with setting up IIS, meeting all it's prerequisites for an asp.net application and installing an app to it, configuring the firewalls etc etc.

If it were an app that I was hosting as the developer and simply allowing users to connect to my server then that's a good solution but if they have to set it all up themselves then it can be much heavier to support.

Note that this comes from the perspective of retail software that we sell globally, if you are developing a custom app for a single customer then it's a whole different kettle of fish.

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Information Tech Infrastructure Library [modified]

Hamed Mosavi

6:22 2 Sep '08

John C wrote:
if you are developing a custom app for a single customer then it's a whole different kettle of fish.

Exactly. This is an old custom application that has just one company working with. I agree on the fact that at least for non technical users, it's a bad idea to deploy an application that engages them setting up iis and probably configuring .net framework to work with it, etc.

About the limitations you're absolutely right. I started writing down changes they need to see what is possible or impossible with asp .net and also what are simpler/faster and what more difficult/slower. Thanks for sharing experiences. Smile

"In the end it's a little boy expressing himself." Yanni

0:15 2 Sep '08

Hi All,
Here I am putting a general question I have been a .net programmer since 3-4 years in support, maintenance and developmentas well. What I want to ask is will it be better if I appear for Information Technology Infrastructure Library(ITIL) certification. Does it have good demand in the market.

I have some experience in dealing service desk applications in support. Please advice me does ITIL have good demand or PMP. Because I want to go for certification. I would like to settle down in Management side leave the programming. Please advice me which one is good for my future.

Thanks a Lot,
Aleem Mohammad,

NIIT technologies
abdul.aleem@niit-tech.com

modified on Tuesday, September 2, 2008 5:21 AM

Re: Information Tech Infrastructure Library leppie 0:18 2 Sep '08

indian143 wrote: nformation Tech Infrastructure Library(ITIL) certification. Never heard of it. xacc.ide - now with TabsToSpaces support IronScheme - 1.0 alpha 4a out now (29 May 2008)
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0:23 2 Sep '08

May be u have heard of this : Information Technology Infrastructure Library NIIT technologies abdul.aleem@niit-tech.com
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Re: Information Tech Infrastructure Library leppie 0:37 2 Sep '08

Nope, still nothing. xacc.ide - now with TabsToSpaces support IronScheme - 1.0 alpha 4a out now (29 May 2008)
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Baconbutty

0:27 2 Sep '08

Just found it on Google. Seems like it's another one of those certifications that replaces common sense and experience. I still remember having to write your own code in FORTRAN rather than be a cut and paste merchant being pampered by colour coded Intellisense - ahh proper programming - those were the days
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0:37 2 Sep '08

Hi All, See I am asking it seriously please help me by giving advie. I would be thnkful to all of you who helped in taking a decision. And do you mean I shouldnt prefer to appear this test doesnt it have much importance in the industry. Thanks, Aleem Mohammad, NIIT technologies abdul.aleem@niit-tech.com
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Rajesh R Subramanian

0:35 2 Sep '08

indian143 wrote:
Information Technology Infrastructure Library(ITIL) certification.

What's one of those?

indian143 wrote:
Does it have good demand in the market.

NO.

I'll suggest that you work up on your technical skills more, and at the same time get yourself a degree (or a masters, if you have a degree). That will add up a lot more to your profile than tens of these certificates will do. I just don't get the point in wasting time, money and efforts in acquiring a certification. They may help you to some extent to get past the dumb HR guys in an interview, but trust me - that is really not required.

Many are stubborn in pursuit of the path they have chosen, few in pursuit of the goal - Friedrich Nietzsche

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[Microsoft MVP - Visual C++]

0:39 2 Sep '08

Thanks yaar. Thanks a lot. NIIT technologies abdul.aleem@niit-tech.com
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Rajesh R Subramanian

0:50 2 Sep '08

indian143 wrote: abdul.aleem @ niit-tech. com It is not a very wise idea to showcase your email address on a public forum like this. By doing that, you are inviting spam[^]. Many are stubborn in pursuit of the path they have chosen, few in pursuit of the goal - Friedrich Nietzsche .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. [Microsoft MVP - Visual C++]
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1:05 2 Sep '08

Thanks a lot friend. NIIT technologies abdul.aleem@niit-tech.com
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1:07 2 Sep '08

Its done sir Thanks & Regards, Md. Abdul Aleem NIIT technologies
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martin_hughes

1:11 2 Sep '08

Yes, ITIL can be a valuable tool and is worth learning about. Be wary of over implementation, however, as this can lead to slow, monolithic working practices. Top Secret Plan for World Domination
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1:44 2 Sep '08

Thanks for the advice and do you feel that the certification of this will be important or simply not neccessary. Thanks & Regards, Md. Abdul Aleem NIIT technologies
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martin_hughes

1:47 2 Sep '08

If you want to go into IT management it's the kind of thing employers look for, especially bigger companies. Top Secret Plan for World Domination
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Dirk Higbee

2:01 2 Sep '08

indian143 wrote:
does ITIL have good demand

Yes and no. Depends on what your doing. I'm currently a contractor working as a Service Desk Analyst and the ITIL seems to be an important thing there along with the A+. However, I'm currently working on my Associates degree which will get me a lot farther in the direction I'm going. I'd like to have my ITIL just because, but at $585 for the course and voucher it doesn't make sense considering my focus is on programming and database admin.

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2:09 2 Sep '08

Hi, Can you please tell me does it worth good or not neccessary. As I want to grown as in management and decision making. Can it satisfy my dreams to be in to that position. Please help me in taking a decision. Thanks & Regards, Md. Abdul Aleem NIIT technologies
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Dirk Higbee

2:13 2 Sep '08

Yeah, it would be good for what you're doing. Every little bit helps. My Blog: http://cynicalclots.blogspot.com
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2:32 2 Sep '08

Hi,
In getting that process done I have to get trained from an institute and appear the exam for certification, some what good cost included in it. So thats why I am requesting to advice me, as I will be spending much money and time in it. So whether it will help me or not for my future growth.

Thanks a lot to all you who helped me. Thanks a lot this is my lost question.

Thanks & Regards,

Md. Abdul Aleem
NIIT technologies