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Shame that the other end is still on crap connections............
Even now, I rarely see downloads that fully fill my average speed 10.5Mbit adsl link.
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Good for Kansas City people, irrelevant for everybody else since google has no plans to expand its service.
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daniilzol wrote: google has no plans to expand its service.
Really? I remember a year or 2 ago when Google first announced the project they said it was a test bed for future projects. Has that officially changed?
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AFAIK google has repeatedly said they do not want to be a nationwide ISP. When they said a test bed for future projects, they meant projects other than delivering fiber to the home, such as google voice, google TV, google cloud services, and whatnot. Google simply wants to test their services over faster network, but they do not want to build it.
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daniilzol wrote: irrelevant for everybody else since google has no plans to expand its service.
Not necessarily. My guess is they are testing the waters.
See how people like it.
See how/what the response from other ISPs (and of course cable TV) providers is.
I am hoping it is handled well, because I could see it branching out. Google is a big pusher of net neutrality, yet many of the ISPs want to throttle etc.
This gives google a weapon against them.
"go against us and we come to your town taking your key customers"
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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Collin Jasnoch wrote: "go against us and we come to your town taking your key customers"
Yes, I see this as a serious shot across the bow of the major ISPs, and also showing that the ISPs' hand wringing about bandwidth and data caps to be what it is: complete BS. They're showing up every ISP in the country and it's great to see.
Look at me still talking when there's science to do
When I look out there it makes me glad I'm not you
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It doesn't work like you think it does. Except for a few small markets there is no overlap in coverage meaning there is no competition. Where I live right now I have a choice between 768Kbps (yes, 768 kilobits per second) AT&T and Comcast, which is not much of a choice really. At my last place I had a choice of two cable providers, marginally better, but still a duopoly. Major ISPs are not motivated by high speed internet vision, they're motivated by money, they know already that data caps are BS, do not be fooled into thinking they truly believe what they spout about data caps. They see caps as added revenue in the future, which is why they're implementing them now. They couldn't give a damn about google because it's only one market out of the whole country, it is not a threat to them, and no, they're not going to lower prices and up the speed just because google "shows them the way". Sad, but true. Google fiber has no value to the rest of us not in Kansas.
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daniilzol wrote: they know already that data caps are BS
I meant they're showing the customers that there's no good reason for caps, which could ultimately hurt the big guys.
If this Kansas City experiment proves profitable - perhaps very profitable - I would not be at all surprised to see Google roll it out to more areas, in fact it would be fiscally irresponsible not to, which should give the telcos and cable giants pause.
I have the choice between the same providers you do: AT&T and Comcast. Except they're both fairly high speed (for the US anyway); not that it matters for competition at the moment. Collusion is illegal but when it's a duopoly, silent agreements are enough. None of the current big players are going to change on their own; a new potentially major player on the scene however, who has deep pockets and ulterior motives for unlimited internet, should make the old guard nervous, or they will be left behind.
Look at me still talking when there's science to do
When I look out there it makes me glad I'm not you
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I would sincerely hope it goes the way you say, but I doubt it will. There are a few successful regional municipal and private ISPs (utopia, Lafayette IN, Sonic.net) however they're not expanding beyond their original footprint despite being profitable. Verizon was deploying FIOS for a couple of years as fast as they could, it's profitable now, very profitable, but they had to stop deployment due to investor pressure. Instead, they're raising FIOS prices significantly, it no longer is a bargain compared to cable. Google is a public company, and deploying fiber, or any kind of last mile solution will require major capital, and the stockholders will scream because they demand short term results only. If we're lucky, and I mean really really lucky, telcos will have to start upgrading phone lines to fiber in order to stay competitive with cable, which will force cable to upgrade last mile to fiber as well. However, that's a very long shot, especially since telcos seem to be betting on LTE and future over the air internet technologies that are ripe for overage abuse. To be short, good that google is doing this, bit I don't think it's going to help us at all.
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He is here somewhere[^]
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
CCC Link[ ^]
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I couldn't find him through all those people waving at me... 
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Last I heard he was in the army 
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Maybe, it's time to expand territory.
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There's been a lot of action on the borders with Egypt and Lebanon since he last posted here, I hope he's OK.
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Keith Barrow wrote: I hope he's OK
I'm more worried about Egypt and Lebanon now. 
Just kidding, I too hope he's ok.
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Would have posted this earlier, but I had to take my daughter to soccer training and then I was stupid enough to try the search thing in Code Projects Who's Who. Would have been quicker knocking door to door.
Met up with Peter this afternoon for a coffee and a chat about the good old days. Not a Gen Y anywhere to be heard, good bloke to catch up with.
Planning on catching up again in a few weeks/couple of months up Peter's way in Katoomba. Afterwards I'll take the kids to the Zig Zag Railway[^].
Fuuck you Code Project message box thing, no undo redo support, you suck arse.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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I like your style, Michael. The "search thing" sucks arse, big time...agreed. 
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If you're planning on riding the train, you'll be disappointed. According to the site, the trains aren't taking any passengers right now.
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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Marcus Kramer wrote: If you're planning on riding the train, you'll be disappointed. According to the site, the trains aren't taking any passengers right now.
Yeah, they're shut for maintenance or insurance stuff. I knew this was around but hoping/expecting it to back and running when the weather starts to warm up. It'd be a bit cold up there at the moment to attract too many people to ride around in old draughty carriages.
Either way, I'll call Peter before making the trip, he'll know what's going on up there.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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As he said, we met up over coffee yesterday. Good bloke, look forward to catching up again.
(I must be doing something right - bored the cr@p out of his kids.  )
Cheers,
Peter
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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ahh peter must need a new server i reckon
B
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Nobody trusts anyone these days.
[Citation Needed]
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
CCC Link[ ^]
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Childs was Human at the end.
He had an earring in his ear.
Also, did you notice that Windows was killed by Mac?
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
CCC Link[ ^]
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I think Steve Jobs watched that one a few times too many! 
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
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Your a liar. How could we possible trust what you say. 
modified 16 Aug '12 - 7:21.
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djj55 wrote: Your a lair.
Cool. What is he? Is he a hidden volcano layer? Perhaps he's an ice lair.
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I have and will never say I can spell or type.
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I would hate to see your Bug Reports
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
CCC Link[ ^]
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Last thing I heard is that we're competitors; ages ago we were cooperative, working together, that creates trust. Working as a competitor means breaking down that trust. Which is "good", since we're not communists
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
if you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Movie Quote Of The Day
If he'd just pay me what he's spending to make me stop robbing him, I'd stop robbing him. You probably inherited every penny you got!
Wich movie?
V.
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One of the best films ever made.
How many bullets you got?
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
CCC Link[ ^]
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I don't know, every time I try to think about it, rain drops keep falling on my head...
"Seize the day" - Horace
"It's not what he doesn't know that scares me; it's what he knows for sure that just ain't so!" - Will Rogers, said by him about Herbert Hoover
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Be happy that it ain't the bullets that are dropping or something else might turn -red-
V.
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Great movie.
"Who are those guys?"
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A logician deducts the truth.
A detective inducts the truth.
A journalist abducts the truth.
Give a man a mug, he drinks for a day. Teach a man to mug...
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Okay, so I've dug out my old A-level maths text to try and brush up on my skills. I've managed to struggle through the 1st chapter and associated exercises but have one question that I've got wrong and I can't for the life of me figure out where I'm going wrong. So, if any of you guys can help point me in the right direction I'd be really grateful:
So I have the following I need to solve for x:
(x-4)/6 - 2x+1 = (3x-4)/2
My approach was to find the lcm, which is 6 and then do this:
1(x-4) - 6(2x+1) = 3(3x-4)
multiply out the brackets:
x-4 - 12x-6 = 9x-12
which yields:
20x = 2
or x = 1/10
However, the back of the book says I'm wrong.
It's really bugging me - I feel I'm falling at first step as I'm pretty confident once I've removed the fractional component that I'm doing everything correctly.
Thanks guys,
Kev
Correct Solution follows:
(x-4)/6 - 2x+1 = (3x-4)/2
lcm is 6 so multiply out the terms:
1(x-4) + 6(-2x+1) = 3(3x-4)/2 => This is where I'd gone wrong 6(-2x+1)
multiplying out:
x -4 -12x +6 = 9x -12
-4 +6 +12 = 9x -x +12x
14=20x
x=14/20 or 7/10
YAY!
modified 16 Aug '12 - 4:52.
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Nope.. it's a fraction
(I don't want to give the answer straight away here, as it's the flaw in my method I'm trying to spot)
It's ONLY an A Level problem; you'd think at the age of 38 I'd find this stuff elementary. But no, I was smarter at maths when I was 18!??
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The bracket you have added to 2x + 1 is not correct.
"Fear no factor", Prime Numbers.
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Sadly not 7/11 - but you're so damn close to the real answer that you probably have done it correctly..
I'm not sure I understand the mocking Indians reference either. But no, I genuinely want to know what I'm doing wrong. I've done a whole chapter of these and got them all correct - it's just that this one is incorrect.
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I was wrong in my first attempt. I have changed the reply now.
7/11 is a shop supposedly, mostly run by Indians in US (I have never been to US so don't know). This is often used in stand up comic shows for jokes. That's what I was referring to.
"Fear no factor", Prime Numbers.
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Incorrect addition of bracket has changed the sign of 1 in the original equation which has changed your result.
"Fear no factor", Prime Numbers.
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Have you plugged 1/10 back into the original equation to check whether you're right? Thats how I always remember checking my answers during A-Level maths.
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So, if I'm not wrong:
(x-4)/6 - 2x+1 = (3x-4)/2 ! -1
x/6 - 4/6 - 2x = 3x/2 - 2 - 1 ! +4/6
x/6 - 2x = 3x/2 - 3 + 4/6
x/6 - 12x/6 = 9x/6 - 18/6 + 4/6 ! -9x/6
-11x6 - 9x/6 = -14/6 ! *(-1)
20x/6 = 14/6 !*6
20x = 14 ! /20
x = 14/20
(The ! stands for the pipe followed by the operation I did in that step)
Hope that is correct. 
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Author of Primary ROleplaying SysTem
How do I take my coffee? Black as midnight on a moonless night.
War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
modified 16 Aug '12 - 4:42.
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Bang on (although the 'book answer' is 7/10 - simplest fractional answer).
I'm curious about your notation though, what's with the factorial -1?
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Kevin Bewley wrote: I'm curious about your notation though, what's with the factorial -1?
Oh, that should be a pipe, but I wasn't able to type it in the editor, so it's just the remark, what I did. Forgot to post that
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Author of Primary ROleplaying SysTem
How do I take my coffee? Black as midnight on a moonless night.
War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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LOL, cool, that's the answer I got. Those mangled signs will get you every time.
"Seize the day" - Horace
"It's not what he doesn't know that scares me; it's what he knows for sure that just ain't so!" - Will Rogers, said by him about Herbert Hoover
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x-4 + 6(-2x + 1) ... etc.
The error came in when you introduced the parenthesis around the second term on the left hand side. It changed the meaning of negative sign to include the one, which is not correct if you look closely at the original.
Cheers!
"With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine."
Ross Callon, The Twelve Networking Truths, RFC1925
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