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Part of the point behind using WPF and XAML is that XAML is the medium used to communicate the UI layout between between the engineer and the designer. The designer can use Expression Blend to layout the UI, and the engineer can use Visual Studio to develop the code behind.
This, of course, requires that your designer has a clue, and is willing to use something besides Photoslop to draw pretty pictures.
Software Zen: delete this;
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I know the point. I have done it myself. But I have also seen in comparison how using tools specific for mock up is better.
Some mock up tools are purely black and white. A big reason for this is to ensure branding does not happen at that stage. When using a strong design tool like XAML this sometimes happens unintentionally. With that then a system is preemptively branded and done so by the wrong people.
In addition, the "controls" end up being some what static from initial design, even if the designer wanted the UX programmer to make significant tweaks. It is hard to relay that it is "Not complete" because for the most part it is. So the UX/UI folks leave it as it and just do some basic alignment and sizing tweaks.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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One benefit was that we were able to perform proof-of-concept work on some of the functional elements, such as evaluation condition expressions, displaying a grid and ruler on the workspace, and extending the functionality to the RichTextBox control. We were able to do this completely within the mockup application.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Yes I do agree there are many benefits to it. Specifically what you just mentioned (POC) is probably the greatest.
"Look! It works! Now we just need the true data  "
It makes sense for many cases. I was just pointing out when you must be careful. Don't expect it to always work for you. Sometimes it will work against you. Its a matter of the team and the design at hand which method will work better.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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I changed the damn thing every day for almost two months. It was easy to do. To give you an idea of the way the "UI guy" thinks, he wanted us to swap the buttons ta the bottom of the forms so that "OK" was to the right of "Cancel". (We had to let the Business Engagement people "approve" our UI design, and that's one of the things he came up with.)
Another thing he came up with - we give the user the ability to toggle a ruler and a grid on/off. He wanted a more visual indication of the ruler and grid's current toggle status (despite the fact that the ruler and grid are VISIBLE when they're toggled on), so he made us change the ruler/grid buttons to checkboxes.
The guy has no business designing UI - for ANYTHING.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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While I do not want to defend the guys as I don't know him nor the system it is possible that the tool handcuffed him to the point of that being his only capable contribution.
That is sort of my point.
Again, I am not defending as for all I know you knew going in that he was a total knob. In such a case definitely a good choice as it leaves him no room to elephant up the design. But in other cases its like you gave an artist a paint by number picture. Not much room for their own creativity.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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I offered to give him the source code.
In my reply email, I sent him pictures of a monkey and a hand...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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John, I both congratulate your for your achievement, and also offer my consolations for the possible con$equence$ of your forgetting the Ferengi "Rules of Acquisition," as taught by, indeed, embodied by, the Grand Nagus, which, for programmers, explicitly state:
"You should never speed-up a project by doing someone else's work voluntarily, because: this may shorten the length of time you are employed, or, create a jealous enemy of the one whose work you have done, or, your employers, tasting what you are capable of, will make more demands on you, effectively increasing what they get from you without giving you extra compensation:
Any, or all, of the above possible consequences may thus: make you lose Profit: which is the greatest sin possible." best, Bill
"When it comes to atoms, language can be used only as in poetry. The poet, too, is not nearly so concerned with describing facts as with creating images." Niels Bohr
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Well, I didn't exactly volunteer. I was doing some proof-of-concept work in a test application, and my boss noticed a fully featured and functioning interface (complete with validation), and he remarked that given the nature of the task at hand, he was impressed that not only had I figured out how to do what we needed, but that it came with a slick interface to boot. The following week, we started the design/planning work, and since our UI guy was otherwise occupied, they were ringing their hands over how they were going to get the necessary mock-up done. My boss said, "Let John do it". The rest, as they say, is history.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: My boss said, "Let John do it from here on out".
FIFY. 
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Yeah but who wants to be a Ferengi!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: Yeah but who wants to be a Ferengi!
Well, Brother Mycroft, since it apppears you may have a cognitive deficit in the "metaphor" area: let me spell it out for you:
Who wants to "shine" in the "eyes of the boss," temporarily, but, be paid the same for an increased work-load, and higher expectations of productivity ?
Apt here, I think is a quote from the 17th. Century Jesuit, Gracian, which I posted on a Lounge thread once before (in July):
"Keep the extent of your abilities unknown. The wise man does not allow his knowledge and abilities to be sounded to the bottom, if he desires to be honored at all. He allows you to know them but not to comprehend them. No one must know the extent of his abilities, lest he be disappointed. No one ever has an opportunity of fathoming him entirely. For guesses and doubts about the extent of his talents arouse more veneration than accurate knowledge of them, be they ever so great." Baltasar Gracian, The Art of Worldly Wisdom, 1647 CE
best, Bill
"When it comes to atoms, language can be used only as in poetry. The poet, too, is not nearly so concerned with describing facts as with creating images." Niels Bohr
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A Survey[^]
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
CCC Link[ ^]
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It's terrible when your ares are strained. I've had a few curries that have strained my ares in my time.
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I have fixed my Ares!
[Edit : Perhaps I need to wear my glasses]
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
CCC Link[ ^]
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I used to wear glasses... had laser eye surgery and now I have hawk eyes 
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So you mean that there is a blind hawk flying around somewhere out there?
Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932
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 Don't worry, I got him a guide dog.
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You can see trajectories and whether the batsman is out?
Good investment!
Can you see the heat spot too?
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
CCC Link[ ^]
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You misspelled "wet" 
Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932
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Enlightenment required.
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
CCC Link[ ^]
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Dalek Dave wrote: Can you see the heat spot too?
I dare not explain - this is the lounge... 
Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932
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Then I am missing something obvious.
I do not see the mis-spelling of 'Wet' anywhere, nor what could be construed as such.
[Edit : Got it!]
I leave the wet spot for others to find.
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
CCC Link[ ^]
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Dalek Dave wrote: batsman is out?
Is that batman's british cousin?
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The Batsman is the man at bat in cricket.
I remember when Peter Willey was bowling to Michael Holding...
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
CCC Link[ ^]
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