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GeneralMessage Automatically Removedmemberihateforcedaccounts19 Sep '12 - 23:42 
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General0 or 10 ?memberV.19 Sep '12 - 23:40 
Found an English version[^].
 
What a bunch of rubbish!
 
If the grading is done between 0 and 10 any possible grade should be given if circumstance requires. That means you can get a 0 if you really, really suck or 10 if you did really, really well. I hate it when there is a no zero policy or when teachers say "I never give a 10".
 
In fact, I gave up on my photography lessons for two reasons, one of them because the grades where always "sufficient" or "above sufficient" for all the students. (from the 5 or 6 possible categories)
 
Categories A, B, C, C+ or whatever are equally worthless.
 
I'm ranting this, because more and more I hear complaints about kids lacking basic knowledge in certain cases or that things should be done differently and more "modern". (Otherwise they might not be "receptive" to the subject at hand?)
 
Just my two cents...

GeneralRe: 0 or 10 ?memberMark Wallace19 Sep '12 - 23:43 
' terminated for "repeated acts of insubordination, unprofessional conduct, and refusal to obey lawful orders"'
 
Unbelievable.
 
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GeneralRe: 0 or 10 ?memberAndrei Straut19 Sep '12 - 23:48 
You know, I had a teacher who used to say:
There is no 10, God gets a 9, I get an 8, and you get 7 and below
What an Arschloch! If the student was able to answer anything you asked, or at least what someone sensible would ask, why not give him a 10?
 
Some teachers think that not giving kids 10s will stimulate them to learn more. Bullcrap! They just get put off because they've done really well and didn't get what they deserved.
 
The best example I can think of was my 8th grade History teacher. In the middle of the class, she would ask someone a random question. If he could answer, he'd get a 10. If not, he'd get a 3. It kept us stimulated and on our tiptoes for the entire year, and none of us got less than 8 on the final exam.
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GeneralRe: 0 or 10 ?memberNagy Vilmos19 Sep '12 - 23:51 
I have seen this is more than one school. The best I heard was that if they didn't turn in the work, the teacher had to give 1 below the grade they would expect. I agree that no work should result in no grade there is no reason for anything else. Unless the schools are receiving grants based on attainment...


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GeneralRe: 0 or 10 ?memberBobJanova20 Sep '12 - 0:03 
He's right to make a stand. If you don't do the work, you should get a 0. For questions with 'right answers', you should be able to get 100%, too, although that's never going to be the case in an essay subject.
 
Assessed work at uni was graded a 0 if you didn't submit it. We didn't have continual assessment in school so you just got 'not submitted' if you didn't bother (and some columns, our equivalent of lines, to write out for your pains) because numerical scores weren't needed, but it would have been zero for sure if they were.
GeneralRe: 0 or 10 ?memberJoan Murt20 Sep '12 - 2:36 
Yes, I still remember paying the university fee because one of my teachers decided that he never assigned 10 to anyone as the perfect job did not exist.
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GeneralRe: 0 or 10 ?member_Maxxx_20 Sep '12 - 3:15 
V. wrote:
If the grading is done between 0 and 10 any possible grade should be given if circumstance requires.

Surely the key here is the phrase "if the grading is done between 0 and 10" - From what i read, the policy of that school is that it is not between 0 and 10 - and the teacher is employed by the school...
 
I don't AGREE with the school's policy - but then I have taught at schools here I don't agree with certain policies (like automatic after school detention for uniform violation, but a stern talking to for telling the teacher to f*** off) but that doesn't mean I go out and 'disobey' the policy.
 
same as if I work for software dev company that uses VB - I don't go out and start programming in C# because I don't agree in using VB...
 
It's a rare case at any secondary school where any work will be able to be mared at a purely true/false level - so giving a 10 would imply perfection - and it's very VERY rare to see work that could not be improved - and if you give a 10 and someone improves on it you just run out of marks!
 
Giving zero for work simply not handed in is also contentious. it depends on the reason. If the dog really did eat the homework, should a student get zero? I had a student this week who failed to hand in an assignment because his school laptop crashed and he couldn't retrieve the files because it was being repaired by the techies... Should he get a zero even though I know he has done work (not good work, granted, but he had done enough work on the assignment that I had seen to at least get a mark)
 
Generally, I find, schools don't deal in numeric marks to avoid this - it's all A-E if there is any work to be marked - and a 'n/a' if nothing is handed in at all.
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GeneralRe: 0 or 10 ?memberdjdanlib20 Sep '12 - 7:47 
Let's normalize everything and grade on a scale of 0.0 - 1.0!
GeneralI love the pastelsmemberSlacker00719 Sep '12 - 23:34 
they make me feel so light and free. Smile | :)
GeneralRe: I love the pastelsmemberMark Wallace19 Sep '12 - 23:40 
Go for it[^].
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GeneralRe: I love the pastelsmemberSlacker00719 Sep '12 - 23:43 
Laugh | :laugh:
GeneralI've Taken...member Michael Martin 19 Sep '12 - 23:22 
...to utilising all the wasted white space on my monitor. I'm now writing notes on there with a texta.

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GeneralRe: I've Taken...memberSlacker00719 Sep '12 - 23:36 
Laugh | :laugh:
GeneralSurvey TimememberTPFKAPB19 Sep '12 - 23:21 
You know what it's going to be about, as it's all we are going to talk about in the coming days, so let's get a definitive vote.
 
Survey.[^]
GeneralRe: Survey TimememberAndrei Straut19 Sep '12 - 23:24 
Been done already[^] (incidentally by me, but doesn't matter)
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GeneralRe: Survey TimememberTPFKAPB19 Sep '12 - 23:27 
Apologies, I never bother to go back more than one page when I log in in the Morning as that's when the Aussies were online and who wants to read their whinging posts?
GeneralRe: Survey TimememberAndrei Straut19 Sep '12 - 23:30 
Neither do I, but this time I did.
 
TPFKAPB wrote:
I never bother to go back more than one page when I log in in the Morning as that's when the Aussies were online and who wants to read their whinging posts

Laugh | :laugh: Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:
 
TPFKAPB wrote:
Apologies

No offense taken, no apologies needed
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GeneralRe: Survey Timemember Michael Martin 20 Sep '12 - 1:11 
Faarrrkkk off! Poms whinge, Aussies it is stated whine, but we don't.

Michael Martin
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GeneralRe: Survey TimememberMark Wallace19 Sep '12 - 23:39 
Again with the general, can't-do-anything-with-the-result type survey.
 
This[^] was the first survey on the topic.
 
Pick things that the hamsters can actually use to make decisions about what should change/stay as is.
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GeneralRe: Survey TimememberAndrei Straut19 Sep '12 - 23:41 
If someone wants to make a survey about that one too, I'd be happy to cast a vote. Maybe we should ask Chris to make some proper surveys and put them as stickies for a while?
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GeneralRe: Survey TimememberMark Wallace19 Sep '12 - 23:49 
Andrei Straut wrote:
If someone wants to make a survey about that one too, I'd be happy to cast a vote

Um, it is a survey[^]; it was actually the earliest one.
 
Vote. If enough people vote in the same direction, it makes a specific point which can be responded to with appropriate action.
 
"I hate it"/"I love it" votes don't give the hamsters anything concrete to work on.
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GeneralRe: Survey TimememberAndrei Straut19 Sep '12 - 23:54 
Mark Wallace wrote:
Um, it is a survey[^]; it was actually the earliest one.

 

Vote. If enough people vote in the same direction, it makes a specific point which can be responded to with appropriate action.

Yes, I know it is a survey, and yes, I did vote, as I did vote on TPFKABP's, and as I will vote if any other subsequent ones show up.
 
Mark Wallace wrote:
"I hate it"/"I love it" votes don't give the hamsters anything concrete to work on.

That's what I said. I did that one to see for myself what people thought of it, and maybe help others get a general idea of how the change is perceived. That's why I said to ask Chris, he could make some that actually address what he wants to know and can get a much better feedback in this way, and can reach out to a much larger audience than I can.
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GeneralRe: Survey TimememberMark Wallace19 Sep '12 - 23:56 
Ah. I got confused over whom I was talking to.
 
(Well, you all look alike... black text on a primrose background)
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GeneralRe: Survey TimememberAndrei Straut20 Sep '12 - 0:05 
Mark Wallace wrote:
(Well, you all look alike... black text on a primrose background)

Well, I hoped it would stand out more as black that as gray. Guess not. Should be fixed now
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GeneralRe: Survey TimememberTPFKAPB19 Sep '12 - 23:57 
I didn't do it to give the hamsters something to work on. I'm sure that they will do something in the future if they so wish.
 
The only purpose of my survey was to give me an idea of the percentage of people that liked it/ hated it hence the straight forwardness of the questions.
GeneralRe: Survey TimememberChris C-B20 Sep '12 - 1:40 
Mark Wallace wrote:
"I hate it"/"I love it" votes don't give the hamsters anything concrete to work on.

Hamsters don't work on concrete. They work in wheels, with mesh on the bottom of the cage so the poo doesn't build up and block the wheels.
 
Apart from that, I like the face-lift, but I do find it annoying to have to wear sun glasses in my office.
 
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General5 minutes in.....memberTPFKAPB19 Sep '12 - 23:13 
....and it's growing on me. But where does one thread start and the next one begin? Why are all our user names grey? And why aren't votes that are voted up or down in colour anymore? I'm finding it hard to determine whether a post has been slammed or Adulated.
 
All in all, I think after a couple of days and some of the more pertinent features listed above implemented, I'm going to be in love with the new look & feel.
 
Thanks to all involved, I will love it one day(I think).
GeneralRe: 5 minutes in.....memberDalek Dave19 Sep '12 - 23:15 
You have been autodownvoted.
 
That is why your name is grey.
 
And how do you know if you have clicked in something before?
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GeneralRe: 5 minutes in.....memberTPFKAPB19 Sep '12 - 23:22 
Dalek Dave wrote:
And how do you know if you have clicked in something before?

I think I'm expected to keep a mental note?
GeneralRe: 5 minutes in.....memberNagy Vilmos19 Sep '12 - 23:18 
TPFKAPB wrote:
But where does one thread start and the next one begin?

 
The threads start on a bold message.
 

TPFKAPB wrote:
I will love it one day(I think).

 
You should feel at home no that everythin is grey. Laugh | :laugh:
 
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GeneralRe: 5 minutes in.....memberTPFKAPB19 Sep '12 - 23:24 
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
You should feel at home no that everythin is grey

Are you suggesting I'm always downvoted or I live in a grey city? Confused | :confused:
GeneralRe: 5 minutes in.....memberChrisElston19 Sep '12 - 23:25 
That your pubes are grey?
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GeneralRe: 5 minutes in.....memberTPFKAPB19 Sep '12 - 23:29 
No, although I've started to get a couple of stray greys in my stubble.
GeneralRe: 5 minutes in.....memberDalek Dave19 Sep '12 - 23:33 
I have had a few Stray Greys in my downstairs stubble.
 
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GeneralRe: 5 minutes in.....memberTPFKAPB19 Sep '12 - 23:37 
I want to report this for removal, but it's to late, it won't help remove this image from my mind.
GeneralRe: 5 minutes in.....mvpAbhinav S19 Sep '12 - 23:19 
I just gave you a 5 and went to refresh the Lounge.
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GeneralRe: 5 minutes in.....memberNagy Vilmos19 Sep '12 - 23:22 
Abhinav S wrote:
There is no refresh button!

I saw that, back to F5 it is.


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GeneralRe: 5 minutes in.....memberTPFKAPB20 Sep '12 - 0:13 
Abhinav S wrote:
There is no refresh button!

 
There is I've just found it at the bottom of the page! The last place I would think of looking.
GeneralRe: 5 minutes in.....mvpAbhinav S20 Sep '12 - 0:25 
Ah thanks.
That should do...once I get used to navigating to the bottom of the page everytime I need to refresh it.
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GeneralRe: 5 minutes in.....memberryanb3120 Sep '12 - 2:00 
Quote:
There is no refresh button!
They moved it to your browser. Smile | :)
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GeneralRe: 5 minutes in.....memberChrisElston19 Sep '12 - 23:23 
Green now seems to be reserved for those posts with a star.
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GeneralRe: 5 minutes in.....memberTPFKAPB19 Sep '12 - 23:25 
So it does. Makes more sense I suppose but then isn't the star redundant now then?
GeneralRe: 5 minutes in.....memberVasudevan Deepak Kumar20 Sep '12 - 2:47 
TPFKAPB wrote:
Why are all our user names grey?

 
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QuestionSeriously... [modified]memberMember 375256119 Sep '12 - 23:07 
... why do you change your UI... You ve done all what i hate about the 2.0 style rss article presentation... we didn t see well if an article is new or update (all are grey)...we can t distinguish and remember well the article title (maybe font or color...) you ve got too much information on the main page.
why do you remove the tab control classification... in the article page, why do you remove the control tab... look at that , you ve got a left menu with 5-6 options and nothing under...
when we scroll down, the article takes only half of the page... with the control tab it was net and clear...
 
damned...

modified 20 Sep '12 - 5:39.

AnswerRe: Seriously...memberNagy Vilmos19 Sep '12 - 23:14 
I've been having a good look around and, different though it is, I think the boys have improved things.


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AnswerRe: Seriously...memberpeterchen19 Sep '12 - 23:18 
May I introduce you to the magic of the question mark[^]?

GeneralRe: Seriously...memberDalek Dave19 Sep '12 - 23:26 
Do you even know what a rhetorical question is??????
 
No, don't bother to answer that!
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GeneralRe: Seriously...memberMember 375256119 Sep '12 - 23:40 
you got it , tx dave
GeneralRe: Seriously...memberpeterchen20 Sep '12 - 6:33 
Since when rhetorical questions end in "..." ?

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