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I don't care if she would win a lawsuit, I'm always open to the possibility that the law could be wrong and so should everyone else.
And I think it's a fair comparison. How can a culture learn to understand something, if you ban everything that could potentially go wrong?
Not many muggles understood the dangers of a microwave either, but after a couple accidents followed by reports in the media, it slowly started to sink in the collective conscious that a microwave doesn't work like a hairdryer.
I want my hypothetical children grow up in a world where they have cool drinks with liquid nitrogen and hoverboards; not in a dull world where they outlaw scissors and bicycles.
You can keep lowering the bar to make everything safer, but it will just make people less careful. There will always be that one idiot who astounds everyone with his stupidity.
Giraffes are not real.
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0bx wrote: I'm always open to the possibility that the law could be wrong and so should everyone else.
That's not the point: she has, on the face of it, a good case.
0bx wrote: How can a culture learn to understand something, if you ban everything that could potentially go wrong?
I didn't advocate banning anything; all I said was that most people probably don't know that liquid nitrogen can be dangerous and there is a reasonable expectation that if you are served a cocktail of this type that it is in a fit state to consume.
0bx wrote: I want my hypothetical children grow up in a world where they have cool drinks with liquid nitrogen and hoverboards; not in a dull world where they outlaw scissors and bicycles.
Now you're being ridiculous plus you plainly don't have any children.
0bx wrote: You can keep lowering the bar to make everything safer, but it will just make people less careful.
Again, what has that got to do with it? This about reasonable expectation. Even if she understood the dangers of ingesting liquid nitrogen she had a right to expect that anything served to her would be fit to consume or the barman should not have served it until it was fit to consume.
0bx wrote: There will always be that one idiot who astounds everyone with his stupidity.
Surely, if you know this person is an idiot, their stupidity shouldn't come as any surprise at all?
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
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Flaming Shooters are safe to drink straight away?
What about flaming ice-cream balls from your favourite Chinese restaurant?
Cmon, everybody(?) knows that you can freeze the crap out of stuff with liquid nitrogen. If anything, I'd argue that it's trendiness of late in tv cooking shows has helped to increase public awareness of it's dangers.
Of course, I feel rotten for her - that's not an event I would wish on anyone - even Assad! -
While it seems to me likely the bar is legally responsible, I can't help but thinking what a poor, sorry fool she is. :shrugs:
Make it work. Then do it better - Andrei Straut
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So I take it you haven't ordered a coffee from a McDonalds in New Mexico?
Have a bit of a Google for the Grandmother that sued and won cause her coffee was too hot to pour in her lap.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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0bx wrote: How can a culture learn to understand something, if you ban everything that could potentially go wrong?
I know what you mean, and I do think the UK and other nanny states are spoiling the fun in life.
However I think there needs to be some sensible restriction on "dangerous" activities.
Either make it absolutely clear that you are in charge of your safety, or make it reasonably hard to cause yourself and others harm.
If you cook a blow fish at your own home, well, you're asking for it, really.
But if you go to a licensed restaurant, you expect to have a pretty good survival rate.
And that is exactly why blow fish cooking is licensed in Japan, for example.
In this case, I think it would have been a good idea for the barman to have been educated on the use of liquid nitrogen in food/drink. If he/she'd got the amount and preparation method right, it really would have been just a very cool drink.
Almost, but not quite, entirely unlike... me...
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There is a world of difference between boiling water and liquid nitrogen. The latter is a dangerous substance which has no place in a bar or restaurant. In any other environment it may only be handled by trained personnel.
One of these days I'm going to think of a really clever signature.
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I went to London in the 80's for about a month, and you had to get to the bar before 9pm to get access to ice, after that, everything was room temp. Here in the states, the company gives every bar a refrigerated unit that holds 2 bottles for chilling and it's free of charge.
Jagger and RedBull, OK, maybe dry ice.
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