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Sinofsky was even more of a micro manager than Gates, I doubt he would ever have taken the top spot.
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I do not think M$ will go down soo easily or soo soon, although i really wish it did. May be the monkey started its game again now. Always a monkey wants another monkey to give him support and not a gorilla to stop his stupid crazy activity and make him civilized 
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Yeah, big companies always stick for a long time... hate the fact that IBM is still around - money they take from consulting would be much better spent on someone else ;(
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So, that OS isn't going to come from Microsoft, Apple or Google then. Funnily enough, I'm starting to think that locking down the installation ecosystem is no bad thing.
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I think Google will drive Microsoft out of OS space with Android. I would prefer someone else (who doesn't track people as much as Google does), but I guess one must be realistic - only those 3 players have enough resources and competence currently to do well in OS space.
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I will bet that, 5 years from now, Google aren't the dominant OS player. They will probably be the one selling the most "smart" devices, but they will not have dominant market share - the enterprise market is still too big, too important, and too entrenched with Microsoft - and it will cost them too much to migrate all their apps over.
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You are probably right, 5 years is too short time period. But I would be happy if just average consumers move over to Android - Microsoft can have "enterprise market".
So, if we see the same transition that happened when Microsoft took OS space from IBM - good enough.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: the enterprise market is still too big, too important, and too entrenched with Microsoft - and it will cost them too much to migrate all their apps over.
So many people miss this point. They see flashy new flashy devices and they think something will just switch over in enterprises.
IMO MS is just playing the safe game with this OS. They do not expect a large enterprise market on it and are just hoping for a "decent" consumer market. In 2 years time the enterprise markets will be looking to upgrade again.... Hmmmm. With that it seems MS timing is impeccable.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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WTF?! 
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station....
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My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
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You beat me to it! 
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I have decided to leave this site for several days due to some recent events. I do not know when I will return, or if.
Farewell.
I think computer viruses should count as life. I think it says something about human nature that the only form of life we have created so far is purely destructive. We've created life in our own image.
Stephen Hawking
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Going by what you wrote it sounds as if you'll be gone for "several days", whatever that may mean to you.
Whatever it was that made you come to this decision, I hope you'll recover soon and will rejoin us here on CP!
Best,
Manfred
"I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!"
Ron White, Comedian
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At times it gets frustrating and a short leave is nice, but if it's gotten bad enough you need to leave permanently take care and another time.
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I'm sorry to see you go, but I hope you'll come back.
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Good luck to you though I've never been sure of what on earth can get someone so pissed off they'd leave forever.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
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Maybe he's wanted for murder.   Like that McAfee guy... Come to think of it, maybe he is that McAfee guy...
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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Well even that fella who kept breaking out of prison still uses CP every now and then.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
Shed Petition[ ^]
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A squiz at recent posts leads me to believe the recent events are not CP related.
So - whatever your angst, hope it all comes good.
Be safe
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Just stop answering questions, and become a general pain in the ass to the overly sensitive. Works for me.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Hello.
I was hired recently to fix some problems in some old software done using . NET 2.
the old version was poorly done by every means no documentation no real naming system,
nothing.
I scheduled a REDO for the whole thing but the original software which is running now need some major fixes quickly, the whole system crushed many times, some part are like if they done by a child, they can't wait for long enough for me to complete my work.
what do you think I should do?
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Resign?
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
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I don't think so.
maybe it's hard but I don't think it's impossible!
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I was joking. Don't resign - decide what the best way for you is to tackle the job and go for it. No good asking other people who haven't the slightest notion of the ins and outs of the issue: only you know what's best for you.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
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I find it quite useful to go speak to someone not in IT. I just talk at them and, very often, without them saying a word, I have the answer. I use them , in other words, as a cardboard programmer.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
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You haven't been hired to do a redesign/reimplementation. You have been hired to plug the leaks, so to speak. Short term, you do the fixes. The best way to get to the rewrite is to prove that it's more economical to rewrite than it is to patch - and that type of argument takes time to win.
Good luck.
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you're absolutely right, but as the payment is good enough I guess that will not be a problem.
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I'm with Mark, quit and get another job, it seems like really bad management to me.
If that is not an option then you HAVE to do the work, you also must make management aware you are doing it under protest and part of the solution is to rebuild the app. Then try and break it into smaller parts that can be rebuilt and integrated piecemeal.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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smaller parts....
that's the choice I'm looking for, maybe I will redo only the part with problems within.
and about the protesting it's essential part of my personality, I think I don't need to worry about it .
thank you.
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Sounds like you inherited my old job. For a while it may even be fun to keep the old program running with one hand and writing the new one with the other. The problem is, that they will not stop when they see that you perform those two little miracles. You will discover that they have a whole collection of bad applications and even higher expectations waiting for you and it will seem like fighting against windmills.
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CDP1802 wrote: Sounds like you inherited my old job.
So! You write unstructured, undocumented, standards-free code?
Thanks for warning us 
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Absolutely, especially when I'm experimenting with something. It's hard to follow standards where there are none. And it's the nature of experiments that unexpected things happen, so the design will suffer after enough tweaking. After all, you probably also don't obey the traffic rules when you want to drive offroad. And you don't have to, since traffic cops usually don't lurk in the middle of nowhere. 
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Australian traffic cops do lurk in the middle of nowhere!
Personall, if there aren't standards, I implement them myself, and reengineering is the solution to the suffering through tweaking dilemma.
Still, I'm perfect, so I guess I can't expect everyone to live up to my lofty level
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_Maxxx_ wrote: Australian traffic cops do lurk in the middle of nowhere!
That's because there is so much nowhere you can be in the middle of in Australia.
_Maxxx_ wrote: Personall, if there aren't standards, I implement them myself, and reengineering
is the solution to the suffering through tweaking dilemma.
Still, I'm
perfect, so I guess I can't expect everyone to live up to my lofty level
You must be my long lost twin brother.
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It's already happening I finished 2 of them and this is the third, but this time it's really huge and the time limit is too short.
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Get a new job!
Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932
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lovely 
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If you're being hired to patch up the old version, then do that. Much as it's lovely to rewrite something from a blank slate, it is always longer and often significantly so, and that decision is one that has to be made by people with an eye on the budget as well as the technical cleanness.
You can do significant refactoring on the parts that you have to touch anyway, though, under the umbrella of 'fixing'.
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Been there, done that. I survived 6 months, and then I gave up. This is all bad management, and there is nothing you can do to change it.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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If the software is crushed, then you need new software, at least most things that are crushed tend not to run, so figure crushed software will not run also.
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I think computer viruses should count as life. I think it says something about human nature that the only form of life we have created so far is purely destructive. We've created life in our own image.
Stephen Hawking
modified 12-Nov-12 17:33pm.
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Hell no.
- What does it eat? The neighbours cat?
- What does it cost? Taxes, vet, insurance, "helping it"? (We don't want 20 little gryphons, do we? We can't feed those!)
- Where you gonna put it? The basement?
- Whose gonna clean up it's sh*t? You?
No ffs, you can't keep it - unless you get frequent flyer miles on that animal.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Where you gonna put it? The basement?
Whose gonna clean up it's sh*t? You?
I get the feeling it would be an "outdoor" pet.
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wizardzz wrote: I get the feeling it would be an "outdoor" pet.
The balcony?
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That would be a Gargoyle, not a gryphon 
Regards.
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M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpfull answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Zac Greve wrote: Would you like to be able to have a gryphon as a pet?
Probably be a bit tough to eat.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
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