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GeneralRe: Mo-VembermemberChris Quinn14 Nov '12 - 5:07 
Apparent the ladies are waiting for Fannuary
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GeneralRe: Mo-Vembermembermark merrens14 Nov '12 - 5:12 
I wonder what these people see when they look at themselves in a mirror?
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GeneralBack To School: Part ImemberMehGerbil14 Nov '12 - 3:01 
I thought it might be a good idea to run down to the local community college and sign up for some classes. I've spent all my time as a programmer over the last 10 years and I think things have gotten a bit stale. My noggin is getting sleepy so I figure a few classes might brush away the malaise. Networking has always confused me so I thought I'd jump into that and learn some of the basics.
 
Evidently my B.A degree and numerous technical community college courses over the years do not exempt me from placement tests. I have to take tests in math, writing, and reading. I was looking over the math questions and I'll be honest - I don't think I can pass the Algebra portion. It's a bit of a wake up call. I may be much dumber than I appear - which is scary.
 
It occurs to me that I may have programmed myself into a position at work for which I'm unqualified.
 
Of course, there are many ways to judge "qualified", after all I do write and manage software used by hundreds of people. There are real world skills vs. figuring out when a train leaving point A at 65 miles per hour will intersect a train leaving point B at 35 miles per hour - however, I hate the idea that I've lost so much knowledge. Granted, I don't know if I ever had the knowledge to solve the trian thingy.
 
There is this gem off the community college website:
Since math knowledge can deteriorate with time, math levels of 5 and above are good for two years from the placement test date or the completion of specific math courses.
 
I can read that two ways:
1: Because most math is utterless useless you have a tendency to shove it out of your head so that useful items can be remembered instead.
 
2: You're too old for this - come get some, biiiyatch!
 
I could take a quick refresher and bone my way through the placement tests just to blow past them but it occurs to me that just brushing them aside isn't the best choice. I'm in no hurry so I think #2 sounds like fun. I think I'll go take the placement test, bomb it, and then enroll in a basic maths class and enjoy the process. I think I may just go learn the maths this time around for fun.
 
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GeneralRe: Back To School: Part ImemberMendor8114 Nov '12 - 3:14 
Neither one of them is the case, it's not just math, happens to anything you do not frequently need you'll keep forgetting it in time, languages for example... i remember i was pretty good at french an Italian but due to 0 practice in the normal work environment I've lost most of it.
 
Math is no different. Although i have to admit that i never understood trigonometry very well either.. Sigh | :sigh: D'Oh! | :doh:
Hmm i wonder why its doing that......ARGHS NO STOP, ROLLBACK ROLLBACK...F*** That's how i learned to "Always Backup"!!
 
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GeneralRe: Back To School: Part ImemberDalek Dave14 Nov '12 - 3:22 
It amazes me that there are people working in computers that are not up to speed in Maths.
 
OK, I don't expect everyone to had a PhD in it, but surely some level of competence is required?
 
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GeneralRe: Back To School: Part ImemberMendor8114 Nov '12 - 3:26 
It amazes me that there are people working in computers that are not up to speed in Maths
 
Why? one thing does not necessarily need to involve the other?
Programming does have a basic math part, but i think it's more important to have that problem solving skill and a very good understanding of logic and outside the box thinking.
Hmm i wonder why its doing that......ARGHS NO STOP, ROLLBACK ROLLBACK...F*** That's how i learned to "Always Backup"!!
 
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GeneralRe: Back To School: Part ImvpEspen Harlinn14 Nov '12 - 4:55 
Mendor81 wrote:
Programming does have a basic massive math part

FYI
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GeneralRe: Back To School: Part ImemberMendor8114 Nov '12 - 5:03 
I guess it all depends on the point of view and the type of programming your doing and what you consider basic and what not.
Not going to argue about that.
Hmm i wonder why its doing that......ARGHS NO STOP, ROLLBACK ROLLBACK...F*** That's how i learned to "Always Backup"!!
 
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GeneralRe: Back To School: Part ImvpEspen Harlinn14 Nov '12 - 5:15 
Well, I'm not not looking for an argument - I just find that my work as a developer seems to require more skills in this area than it used to.
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GeneralRe: Back To School: Part ImemberMehGerbil14 Nov '12 - 3:27 
Dalek Dave wrote:
It amazes me that there are people working in computers that are not up to speed in Maths.

In 10 years of accounting programming the most complicated math programming I've had to do is figure an average.
Even if I had to figure interest rates/accum I'd use a predefined equation for it.

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