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GeneralRe: Bulletproof papermemberClifford Nelson15-Nov-12 13:53 
Not quite right. Thicker metal has a lot more resistance to bending. A 2x6 is going to bend 4 times less than a 2x4. Resisting penetration is a more linear problem. The bullet did not penetrate the copper plate, so we are not sure that a bullet that has twice the energy would penetrate or not. we know that if we double the plate, then a bullet with twice the energy will not penetrate, but also will not deform the plate as much.
GeneralRe: Bulletproof paperstaffVince Yonemitsu15-Nov-12 14:29 
A bullet with 1/2 more energy cut through the copper plate like butter without even deforming it. Everything has a breaking point. You are correct that when your talking about the extreme forces that bullets put on things penetration is neither consistent nor linear. However when the penetration ability of a well known mild round goes halfway through something a high powered round will generally eat it for lunch. Take a bullet proof vest as an example. It will easily stop a 9mm round without much more than a bruise. Hit that same vest with a .308 and I wouldn't want to be the guy standing behind the guy with the vest, let alone the guy wearing it. Even if a 3 inch piece of that material was effective at stopping a rifle round 3 inches is still far too thick to be practical to be worn as armour. There are thinner and stronger materials even if they are heavier. The weight gain in the relatively small amount of material required for a helmet or chest protection is of less importance than bulk. I could see this having applications in armour for vehicles where bulk is of less concern than weight. I still think we are are talking about at the very least double thickness of that material to be effective for any improved body armour. I would imagine they will make it better are time goes on though. Smile | :)
GeneralRe: Bulletproof papermemberClifford Nelson16-Nov-12 7:35 
Actually think that the real solution would have to be some sort of composit, like used for tank armor. maybe have a layer of this material on the outside to containthe bullet, in 2nd layer that will absorb and distribute the energy, and maybe a last layer of this material to deal with fragments. You do not want the sedondary fragments inside the body so they need to be fished out one by one.
 
3 inches would not be a problem. People where down jackets that thick, it would be the weight of anything that would be effective.
 
50 cal would probably take off an arm even if it did not penetrate.
GeneralLiar sues Microsoftmemberahmed zahmed15-Nov-12 5:13 
Or Liar sues Liar?
 
California lawyer sues Microsoft claiming storage space on Surface tablet less than advertised[^].
 
Does he have a point? Not really, I'm thinking. Because the ASUS Android 32GB tablet had stuff (preinstalled Apps) on the 32GB card when I bought it. And I think that's where the Android OS is installed (or is it installed in ROM?).
 
Sounds like he has buyer's remorse.
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GeneralRe: Liar sues Microsoftmemberjim lahey15-Nov-12 5:23 
If it's a successful lawsuit it sets a precedent for every single hard drive ever bought.
GeneralRe: Liar sues Microsoftmemberahmed zahmed15-Nov-12 5:26 
Yeah, that's true. No more selling a 956 GB drive as a 1TB drive just because 956 * 1024 * 1024 = 1,002,438,656 bytes.
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GeneralRe: Liar sues Microsoftmemberwizardzz15-Nov-12 5:29 
Or a 149.5cc motorbike as a 150.
GeneralRe: Liar sues Microsoftmemberahmed zahmed15-Nov-12 5:32 
**snort** Laugh | :laugh: Laugh | :laugh:
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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

GeneralRe: Liar sues Microsoftmemberlewax0015-Nov-12 5:31 
I know, I need the extra 68 megabytes I was promised! Laugh | :laugh:
GeneralRe: Liar sues Microsoftmemberahmed zahmed15-Nov-12 5:33 
LMFAO! Laugh | :laugh:
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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

GeneralRe: Liar sues MicrosoftmemberColin Mullikin15-Nov-12 7:26 
ahmed zahmed wrote:
No more selling a 956 MB drive as a 1TB drive
This drive seems to be about 1023GB short of a TB... D'Oh! | :doh:
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GeneralRe: Liar sues Microsoftmemberahmed zahmed15-Nov-12 7:28 
LOL, typo...
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You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

GeneralRe: Liar sues Microsoftmemberjschell15-Nov-12 8:27 
ahmed zahmed wrote:
No more selling a 956 GB drive as a 1TB drive just because 956 * 1024 * 1024 =
1,002,438,656 bytes.

 
Hard drives are measured in decimal megabytes so it would be 956 * 1,000,000
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megabyte#Definition[^]
GeneralRe: Liar sues Microsoftmemberahmed zahmed15-Nov-12 12:06 
OH really? I guess it depends on the manufacturer then. Because the Seagate 1TB drive I have only has 956MB. But it's called a 1TB drive.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

GeneralRe: Liar sues Microsoftmemberjschell17-Nov-12 5:44 
ahmed zahmed wrote:
Because the Seagate 1TB drive I have only has 956MB. But it's called a 1TB drive.

 
Seagate explicitly explains that for them "1 TB" is "953,674 MB" and I am still am unclear both what you are measuring and how you are measuring it.
 
http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/172191en[^]
GeneralRe: Liar sues Microsoftmemberahmed zahmed17-Nov-12 8:25 
That may be, but that's not how it's advertised. In any case, I'm not complaining, you misunderstand. I was merely pointing out that almost everything we buy is "rounded up" in some way. It's almost a lie, but not quite, since most of us see through it and understand. It does bother me though. Just a little. Because the naive initiate (n00b) will assume that 1MB = 1024*1024 Bytes, not 1000*1000 bytes since that's what's taught in school.
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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

GeneralRe: Liar sues MicrosoftmemberGenJerDan15-Nov-12 5:30 
MS should go ahead to court.
 
And bring up what lawyers call billable "hours". Big Grin | :-D
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GeneralRe: Liar sues Microsoftmemberahmed zahmed15-Nov-12 5:35 
Bah-dang, buh-doom!
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You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

GeneralRe: Liar sues MicrosoftmemberChrisElston15-Nov-12 5:30 
I've never seen a PC advertised for sale anywhere that has the amount of free space on the hard drive advertised rather than the total size.
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GeneralRe: Liar sues Microsoftmemberlewax0015-Nov-12 5:32 
And I'm pretty sure most ads have fine print that specifically say useable space is less than the total advertised space.
GeneralRe: Liar sues MicrosoftmemberPaul Conrad15-Nov-12 6:21 
Yes, there is fine print. I remember back when I bought a "200 gb" hard drive when they were top of the line, and it clearly said in the fine print that the actual capacity would be less, so I wasn't put off when I saw it was 186 gb after formatting it.
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GeneralRe: Liar sues Microsoftmemberahmed zahmed15-Nov-12 5:34 
Indeed.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

GeneralRe: Liar sues Microsoftmemberthrakazog15-Nov-12 5:54 
If he'd like to delete all those pesky operating system files and applications he'd have his full 32 gig. And a brick, with a kickstand.
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GeneralRe: Liar sues Microsoftmembermark merrens15-Nov-12 6:10 
I think he has a point: it's not like you could remove all of the pre-installed files and make use of the space. They should be made to advertise usable space like:
 
32GB total/16GB usable.
 
It's like buying a car advertised with a 10 gallon tank: you would be mighty pissed to find it only has space for 9 gallons because the rest of the space is reserved for the gas pump or other equipment.
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GeneralRe: Liar sues MicrosoftmvpChristian Graus15-Nov-12 6:40 
The issue is that people buying these things are less tech savvy than we are. We take these things for granted and MS probably is accustomed to a world where these things are known.
 
I will say, I bet W8 takes up more space than Jelly Bean, making the issue worse on a Windows tablet.
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