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MehGerbil wrote: academic folks heavy into perfecting a logical, non-emotional approach to
seeking truth
Well they obviously are not going to achieve that.
MehGerbil wrote: In my mind, atheism is equated with a very strict, logical, and unemotional
approach to evaluating a world view
In my mind atheism is a belief. Nothing more and nothing less.
Those that attempt to cloak it in rationality do it to rationalize the belief which is no different than various ways that seek to promote other types of beliefs.
And the emotions often arise when one points out the beliefs one which logic is based.
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jschell wrote: In my mind atheism is a belief. Nothing more and nothing less.
You confused me with this post.
My guess (only a guess) is that you're atheist for very logical reasons.
For example, you've never seen/experienced a god therefore you don't believe he/she exists.
You likely set a standard along the lines of not believing in claims of the supernatural unless it's made plain to you.
I think that's a pretty good standard, FWIW.
So your post confused me when you say your atheism is just a belief.
I'm guessing it isn't just a preference or a vague feeling - it's based on your 5 senses isn't it?
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MehGerbil wrote: My guess (only a guess) is that you're atheist for very logical reasons.
For example, you've never seen/experienced a god therefore you don't believe he/she exists.
I didn't state my beliefs. However your last statement says what I said.
Rephrasing what I said in different terms. Christianity is a belief. Buddhism is a belief. Atheism is a belief. Science is a belief.
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MehGerbil wrote: Probably the move from fringe to mainstream has lessened the percieved need to
be vigilant.
Or the move is because more people now 'believe' in science versus religion. Without understanding either the basis of belief including those inherent in the basics of science.
(Which isn't to say that previously the ones you are alluding to being more viligant understood the basics of beliefs either.)
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I'd agree with that.
It's weird to live in a post-Christian culture.
I think it's healthier for those with my particular beliefs.
Even though I disagree with just about everything Obama is about I'm kind of glad he won because the sooner my Christian brothers give up on trying to win this thing via elections the better off we'll be for sure. I don't support any of the 'Take Back America' nonsense. It wasn't ours to begin with so let's just stop that already. Sheesh.
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I've started work in a mine.
It wasn't planned.
I just kind of fell into it.
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You should be OK, as long as you aren't considering becoming a comedian.
CQ de W5ALT
Walt Fair, Jr., P. E.
Comport Computing
Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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It was meant to be a joke! 
mine - no plan - falling
Got it?
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station....
_________________________________________________________
My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
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No worries! 
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station....
_________________________________________________________
My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
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devvvy
What on earth did you say in order to get your reply removed?
Don't post it again ... but if you could you just expalin the jist of it, that would be good.
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just click the remove button any message *you* posted yourself
(fact I removed it and keeps you wondering what i said does it? lol)
dev
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Thx Devvvy
I was really wondering...
Thought that it was moderator action
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I read that as working as a mime. I was speechless.
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Tadaaaaa !
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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Oh, be quiet 
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Congrats, it is a very deep technical area.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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I went to work on a mine too. The whole sector's blowing up these days.
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I'm working on one of my first team projects. Things are going well, and we are in the second sprint. So I got switched to git for easier code reviews, and other cool workflow things.
The first merge wasn't so bad, but then someone (or the boss) was working on a stored procedure that runs the report that I was working on. By 'working on the stored procedure' we mean changing it to c# code in the controller that I'm working with. I didn't realize that until the rebase/merge happened. Not as fun as the first one. "Optimizing the report" should have alerted me that people would touch the same files I was touching..... right?....
Now I see a checkin for a shared library change. Need to get latest. Pull down code, merge conflict. WTE? How is that affecting me... Oh, the views for all 4 of my pages have been changed. We renamed files for a new navigation convention. Cool. Except that I was styling all those forms, so the merge is nassy. Git thinks a rename is a delete/add, and merge doesn't like that much of a file change. Excellent. Again files that are assigned to me for the item I'm working on are changing. Great.
Fine , whatever. I will just redo it. Most of what I did was divs anyway, a ton of field renaming. No biggy. Rebase again, another collision. I finally get it all worked out. Running the app after making a bunch of styling changes again... none of my changes are applying.
WTE?! So I make stupid obvious changes, and see they aren't showing up.
So finally I navigate to the folder and make sure the old files were dropped. They are still there. Ok, no biggy. I delete one of them and now run the app. Now it has to go to the right file right? CRASH. The routing wasn't fixed for my stuff. The files were renamed to match the convention , but the navigation is broken... unfortunately I redid the entire rebase and cherry picked my changes back on top to verify before I figured that out.
So after a few hours I have the merge done... even though there shouldn't have been any issue with my files. Now I have to wait for another checkin so that the routing is fixed and I can go on.
But hey, bad things happen right? At least I didnt actually shut my hand in the door, or perform any violent acts.
If it moves, compile it
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loctrice wrote: or perform any violent acts.
That's called the yets, as in "I haven't done that, ....yet."
Cheers,
Peter
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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Looks like you got a uni follower.
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Maybe they just didn't like what I had to say?
If it moves, compile it
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There wasn't anything really polarizing in there, and it was a rather strong downvote.
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So for years I have listened to the knowledgeable discuss how they can smell/taste various fruits and flavours in wines, not once understanding what the hell they are yapping on about. I enjoy wine, I enjoy going to tastings and cellar doors for the wines, I like trying different wines and we buy and drink lots of the ones we like. Not once have I EVER been able to say I distinctly identify a particular fruit in a wines bouquet.
Till last night, drinking a Tahuna sauvignon blanc from Marlborough in NZ, I drink this stuff like lolly water, there is always 3-4 bottles in the fridge and for the very first time I could smell and taste strawberries in the wine. It was astonishing!
The only explanation I can think of is my taste buds are recovering from 30 years of smoking, it has only taken a decade!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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I used to be more a wine person - my Brits colleagues slowly converted me into a beer person now
dev
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: I could smell and taste strawberries in the wine
Mycroft Holmes wrote: 3-4 bottles in the fridge
if (fridge.Bottles.Count == 0)
{
Explanation.Complete();
}
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If the fridge is empty I'm not going to be able to read the results anyway, nor would I care.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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I love wine. Like you, I've been to wine tastings and cellar doors. I've also done a wine tasting courses and dated an oenologist.
It is my belief that the wine tasting vocabulary describes something completely different to the normal tastes associated with those words.
The best experience I had of this was at the wine tasting course. We were presented with 6 glasses of similar wines, Chardonnay one week, Sav Blanc the next, etc.
Being able to compare similar wines allows you to discern the subtle similarities and differences between them. When the instructor says that the first three have a certain characteristic, and the second three don't, you can learn to identify that difference. Wine experts may call that 'gooseberry', but it's not the same as actual gooseberries.
I've not tried the Tahuna sav blanc - I'll have to keep an eye out for it. NZ Sav Blancs are awesome, my favourites: Huia, The Ned, Church Road, Oyster Bay, Nautilis and for something different try Toi Toi sparkling Sav Blanc.
Cheers
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NeverJustHere wrote: Huia, The Ned, Church Road, Oyster Bay, Nautilis
All of which have passed the pallet, here in Singapore wine is so expensive I can't afford to quaff the ones I really want to but the Tahuna is the one currently priced right. It used to be Kim Crawford.
My tasting discernment to date has always been I like that, or thats too acidic/tanin/oaked or any of the other gross differences, never have I identified an individual fruit before. It will be interesting over the next few days to see if it persists!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Ah, Singapore. It's been a long time since I've been there. I do remember the ridiculous taxes on alcohol though.
Still, it's the only place I've seen where people would regularly buy mixed drinks by the jug. Yep, a jug of Vodka and Orange, a jug of Gin and Tonic, or a jug of Bourbon and Dry.
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Struth...
On first reading I read it as ... "and dated an oncologist."
Went and re-filled the glass, nosed it and noted a hint of goon sack and a faint hint of cardboard wafting from the rim of the glass.
I also think that it had a hint of Grape about it.
Not so bad for a crispy dry though...
re-read your post and realised that it was oenologist and not oncologist.
Felt relieved in some way. There must be about 6 or seven titles for this occupation and I have never heard of this one before.
So I have added this word to the things that I have learnt today. Thanks NeverJustHere.
I am also going to look out for the Great Tuhuna. Sounds good.
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Oncologist - can you imagine. Coming home at the end of the day.
Me: Hi honey, how was your day.
Her: Great. Met lots of new people. They've got cancer.
Me: Can you cure them?
Her: Nope. How was your day?
Me: SOME ELEPHANT TOOK MY RED STAPLER
Her: Relax, or you'll have a heart attack
Me: THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE STUDIED CARDIOLOGY
Nope, wouldn't work.
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Very Funny Reply...
I especially like the "SOME ELEPHANT TOOK MY RED STAPLER"
It would make a good CP signature
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: 3-4 bottles in the fridge
Assuming it's a not a wine fridge, then that's why you can't taste anything. Cold temporarily masks taste and excess cold might have longer term undesirable effects. The fridge vibrations might damage some components of the wine, though it's not a well understtood area so might be total doodah! A sauvignon blanc can possibly be stored at fridge temperatures but is better stored up around 8-12 deg C and served at the higher end of that range.
Think of lager, tastes better super chilled? That's 'cos the colder it is the less you can taste and lager tastes awful, ever accidentally taken a slug of warm Fosters or Bud? It hasn't gone bad, it tasted bad to start with then the bad taste was hidden by chilling. Warm English ale FTW!
Buy a wine cooler, drinking at the rate you suggest it'll be worth the cost, and there'll be space in the fridge for pretentious sounding nibbles to go with the wine.
M
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It is stored short term in the fridge, long term in a white wine fridge for the good stuff and yes there is a red wine fridge as well, the Tahuna does not make it into the wine fridge but is drunk reasonably chilled not bloody frozen. You have to use a wine fridge here it turns to vinegar very rapidly otherwise.
As for warm English beer (yech), that cannot be drunk at tropics room temperature, it's either lager or nothing in the beer stakes thankfully.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: it's either lager or nothing
Tiger, Tiger, burning bright...
Been there, done that, been kicked out of too many bars to prove it. 
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H
OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre
I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer
Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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English ale from a brewery rathrt thgan a mass producer (i.e. one of the Interbrew brands), or properly brewed European lagers and beers (not 1664 etc.), would do well in a red (or possibly a white) wine fridge and they actually taste of something other than cold, which whilst refreshing is the same as drinking good wine and not tasting anything specific.
If you've enjoyed tasting a wine for the first time then try a English summer ale (like Summer Lightning) which were created for lager drinkers as an easy switching drink, they are refreshing, can be served chilled (white wine temps) and don't have the stronger tastes of classical english ales. Once accustomed to drinking beer that tastes of something folk tend to edge towards stronger (taste) ales, English pale ale types (IPA, India Pale Ale) and then on to either hoppier pale ales or darker ales (often sweeter in taste due to higher unfermented sugar). Good darker ales to try might be Old Peculiar, Fullers ESB, Directors all of which are probably better served at red wine fridge temps.
You might be pleasantly surprised...
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Wine tasting is utter nonsense and pure snobbery. A panel of wine experts were given five glasses of white wine that had red coloured added to it. Not a single one of them noticed!
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FYI the colour has no taste...
It's almost impossible (if you don't know a wine upfront) to tell its color while drinking in a blind taste.
If it's full of chardonnay you can assume it's a white, if full of pinot gris you can assume it's red but for an arrangement it's very unlikely you can tell with accuracy.
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Oh I agree with you, that is why I was so astonished to differentiate the flavour for the first time in 40 years of enjoying wine, to me it is either nice or not nice I can barely tell the difference between some varietals.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: I can barely tell the difference between some varietals
Whilst the new world producers have taught the French a thing or two in high levels of commercial success by producing wine people like drinking rather than exactly what their great great great great grandfather did it's also led to a sort of mono-culture in taste when it gets 'too' commercial - make it taste like a high selling brand -or- make it tase ok but nothing particular, sort of pleasantly bland, that attracts the highest possible customer base... That's the advantage the French have kept, love it or loathe it, it ain't bland, though parts of thhe French industry have gone down the commerce first route soi it's becoming hard to pick what you actually want. C'est la vie.
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On a recent road trip through Spain I was pleasantly surprised how big the Temperillo wines are, I always considered them rather thin and bland. Turns out that is Australian Temperillo, Rioja wines are quite different. I loved them!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Life is like a box of chocolates
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: my taste buds are recovering from 30 years of smoking
I smoked for 22+ years. I quit about 7 years ago. Food has never tasted better. It did take me about 2 years to get over the chronic coughing.
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I always found them to be generic. The best Eurometal is nightwish, hands down
Christian Graus
Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote: The best Eurometal is nightwish, hands down
Agree, but I can't listen them all the time.
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