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I think they were being cautious rather than trying to milk a week's worth of slave labour from me. I hope that is the bloody case! 
The agency was okay and they generally told me what was going on but I think the company were getting annoyed with him as he was clearly chasing his own commission target. But apart from that, I really enjoyed working with them last week. The hours are very good, 9-5, hour for lunch and I'm about 10 minutes drive from home so I get home at a nice time now it's getting lighter. Assuming I get the paperwork tomorrow I'll trust they'll start my pay from Monday last week. I think the agency did say they'll pay for the trial if I didn't formally accept but the agent chopped and changed with what he told me so I'll have to wait and see.
"I do not have to forgive my enemies, I have had them all shot." — Ramón Maria Narváez (1800-68).
"I don't need to shoot my enemies, I don't have any." - Me (2012).
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PHS241 wrote: The agency was okay
That's the highest praise I've heard about an agency for a long time.
I've been out of the market for a few years now, but I have never heard of a job starting in this way. The normal thing is for the company to decide they want you, and then they take you on on full pay for a probationary period, 2 to 3 months being the norm. Assuming you have not signed your contract yet, just make sure your boss (or whoever) dates it from your first day of work, and check that you will be paid from then.
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Richard, there is a six-month probation period as well. I'll certainly make sure I'm paid for the week I did. Hopefully, I'll tidy up the loose ends tomorrow.
"I do not have to forgive my enemies, I have had them all shot." — Ramón Maria Narváez (1800-68).
"I don't need to shoot my enemies, I don't have any." - Me (2012).
modified 17 Feb '13 - 11:51.
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I've not experienced that, but I have a similar story.
At a previous job, I went through an agency, and on my first payday I went to their office to get my paycheck. They didn't have my check. Apparently, the person in charge of me was fired or something, and they plumb lost track of me. Wasn't a big deal to me, but I told my boss and he said he'd take care of it.
Not sure what the deal was exactly, but my boss offered me a check directly. While I was at the bank to deposit it, a head hunter from the agency called me and basically said, "you can under no circumstances cash that check." My response was basically, "well, I'm going to." All of my paychecks came directly from my boss from then on. 
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I imagine that the company is doing everything properly and above board, but the agency is trying to squeeze as much of your money out of it as it can. Talk with the HR guy at the company, to see if he knows what the agency is doing.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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It's all okay and the agency is, well, a typical agency, run by wankers employing wankers. They don't give a continental f*ck about you until the c**ts smell the dosh. When they get that they go back to not giving a sh*t anymore.
I had to get home at lunchtime to phone the local Jobcentre and tell them that they can take me off fackin' jobseekers allowance. I hope it's a long, long time before I step in there again, hopefully never.
"I do not have to forgive my enemies, I have had them all shot." — Ramón Maria Narváez (1800-68).
"I don't need to shoot my enemies, I don't have any." - Me (2012).
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its just a private idea , really .net is not killing natural of programming? i mean in .net sometimes with one line you can do something wich needs more than 10 lines! it makes programming so simple and faster but in this situations i dnt feel im programming really ! maybe because my codes complete so fast ! whats your idea? agree or not?
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If you feel that, you're not working on interesting programs.
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a calculator also can be interesting if you make it with new ways! dnt agree? in first version you write anything in one class, in second you involve inheritance, in third version you involve threads and delegates ,... as you see a simple programm can be interesting with new and great codes ! dont agree?
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Maybe.. that sort of sounds like making it complex just for the sake of complexity though.
How about a calculator that can parse formula's and do symbolic differentiation? Now that's pretty interesting, and the fact that you'd be working in C# doesn't really kill the fun.
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im not talking about c#, i really love c# ! so you know interesting not bigs
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No - it's just moving the "grunt work" into a tested, reliable code base.
Just as we all used to do ourselves, but with that code base being consistent and shared among a huge number of users instead of different for each company or even programmer.
All .NET does is let us concentrate on the application instead of getting bogged down by the details of the low level stuff we have written so many times before.
If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.
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OriginalGriff wrote: All .NET does is let us concentrate on the application instead of getting bogged
down by the details of the low level stuff we have written so many times
before.
You forgot the most important factor: It also fills Microsoft's pockets. By now and then dropping something and sharing their latest great vision with us, they also want to make sure that we keep on buying their stuff.
That's the point where .Net has begun to cost me more than it is worth. I now refuse to waste my time adapting my code or learning stuff that will only be dropped again at the next opportunity.
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.NET has lasted ten years now (V1.1 came out with VS2003!) which is pretty good going these days.
Yes, it makes MS money - but it's not quite as bad as Office, where you have to update your whole company because one of your customers upgraded and you can't read their documents any more! 
Don't get me wrong - I came up through the machine-code/assembler/c/c++ route after starting Uni with COBOL and FORTRAN - it's not the best it could be. But it does cut development and maintenance time considerably by removing the need to recode and retest a linked list every time, and a string class, and a ...
It's certainly a shed load better than MFC ever was!
If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.
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OriginalGriff wrote: It's certainly a shed load better than MFC ever was!
Most things are 
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True, especially the early versions which were a horror to work with. I used to compare it to gouging your own eyes out with a rusty spoon...
If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.
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In the early 90'ies I was over in the land of OS/2 - where we had the IBM Open Class[^] library, MQ Series and DB/2. Returning to the world of MFC & Access was a culture shock - but thanks to Delphi & C++ Builder I didn't run away screaming - I also lucked out and had a number of customers that understood the difference between Access and the Oracle RDBMS - I also had one that didn't, and wanted a 16-bit Access version of the product too - I should have said no, but didn't.
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Well, anything's possible if you throw enough money at it!
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James Lonero wrote:
Well, anything's possible if you throw enough money at it!
Sometimes ...
At the time it felt pretty strange.
We've come a long way since then - and today most developers wouldn't try to con their customers into believing that it's possible to create a stable multiuser application using shared access to Access, d-base, paradox, etc. files on a shared file server.
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a problem with .net is that it's almost a complete duplicate of java
from top to toe, with some difference, which of course did reduce
the java code out there - but now you have two code bases that are
only slightly different. real men only code in lisp or haskell, anyway.
and real women always use (obj c?) - well, cobol was developed by a woman.
if some one ( like oracle ) developed a vm that ran java and c#,
that would be an interesting development/but microsoft would sue
for $1,000,000,000.00 or maybe 1.5/!/!/!/ Google could buy
microsoft and do it, but they are too busy these days making cell
phones and they could never merge that culture which would throw
a lot of people back into the job market. intel could build
a processor that would run c# or java, but only the defense
dept would buy it.
However, the sad story is that java guys write java,
and c# guys write c# and they hardly ever write to each other.
actually i don't think .net will kill i.t. we can still
find some paper tape readers if we need, too. what could
kill i.t. is really good cheap scotch, but that most likely
would end badly.
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From what I gathered from that ridiculous post is that you now nothing about either java or .net.
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I agree,you know nothing about .Net or Java.
i think you should leave the level of helloworld
Google will buy Microsoft? in ya greatest dream.
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yes you are right ! but i am talking about Programming , not programming projects ! someone rich doesnt need do projects , he/she wanna code for fun and wanna feel joy of programming , and microsoft just help to do programming !
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So am I.
Low level code is fun to do: I have been involved with embedded software for most of my working life.
But there is very, very little satisfaction from reinventing the wheel - particularly if you do it over and over with each new programming job you do. .NET allows you to focus on your code, your task - without having to write a combobox from scratch (which is a very,. very dull thing to do and get right). It's about freeing your time and making your effort more effective.
Yes, it is a very good idea to know what is going on "behind the scenes" - but it shouldn't be the only thing you try to do!
And you don't have to be rich to code with .NET, even as a complete amateur - each and every version of VS has included free Express editions which miss out very little that an amateur would need.
If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.
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OriginalGriff wrote: without having to write a combobox from scratch (which is a very,. very dull
thing to do and get right).
I can't confirm that. Writing my own UI actually was a lot of fun, not really hard and at least I hope I got some things right.
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