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GeneralMy area (Flint, MI) is bad for programming work, but I don't have much experience. Will moving make a difference in that case? PinmemberThat New Guy2-Jul-14 17:57 
I've gone through my story here a couple times. I graduated with a Bachelors in Computer Information Systems close to 3 years ago. Unfortunately, I did no internships or networking while in college. In terms of finding work, it's been rough. I had a junior programmer job at a printing company 7 months out of college, but got laid off 10 months ago. Since then, I've been looking for work and learning languages. I have only 2 projects on Github, but I'm looking to put more up later. I've had a few interviews, but nothing panned out.
 
My main issue is that I don't have enough experience. Though I'm aiming for programming positions, I only got in a year and a half at my previous job. That was in an obscure language called FoxPro. Also, my degree was CIS. I didn't appreciate the difference between CS/CIS in college. I knew fairly early I wanted to program, but after transferring from Community College, a CS degree would have taken way longer and cost way more at that point. Now that I'm trying to learn all this extra stuff on my own, I feel I should have taken that hit and switched majors. Now I don't have the cash to go back (and don't want to take on more loans).*
 
The second issue is that I live in Flint, Michigan. Aside from topping "worst crime in Michigan" lists every year, there's not a lot here in terms of programming work that I haven't already applied to. Heck, I've been applying to places 3-10 cities over since the start of my hunt, and not getting many bites. Due to meager savings post-layoff and my closeness to my relatives, I didn't want to move at first. Now I recognize I have to at some point. I was thinking of Lansing, because I see plenty of job postings coming from there and I've had relatives who lived there before and say it's nice. Any spot in MI where entry-level programmers are in demand will do though. I'll probably find some temp jobs to save up the money.
 
However, there's still the main issue. I don't have much work experience in programming. I also have a 10+ month gap on my resume. These things will still be true, even if I was able to move tomorrow. So, does it matter if I move? I think I can get temp work and save money, but the cost of moving will still be huge, and I don't want to take the gamble of moving if the move is ineffective. I'm going to save money either way if I can find "stepping-stone" work, as well as put up projects. But should I move as soon as I have enough money, or wait until I have an offer from a company? The offer doesn't have to include relocation; I'd move on my own dime if the salary was decent enough. I'm not moving out of Michigan anyway.
 
*Please note I don't mean to start any war between CIS and CS majors here. I just feel I should have taken the CS degree.
GeneralRe: My area (Flint, MI) is bad for programming work, but I don't have much experience. Will moving make a difference in that case? Pinprofessional_Damian S_2-Jul-14 18:02 
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