"Have you tried Jesus?"
"Jesus? Oh, that guy. Tried to take the load of others, and couldn't even carry his own. He lived a life of agony and pain, and he died a horrible death. Now how can I load my own pain on the back of this guy!
Do you really think he was happy here? Look around. People are a pain. Everybody has one or two or a dozen who make all this bearable, but the rest - not that I dislike them, but I would miss their number, not them individually. Now imagine you walk around to get them all smiling, at once. And everytime five or six of them do, someone behind your back breaks into a curse.
I bet he found peace and his daddy only when sitting under an olive tree, watching an ant, and a stone, just be. This is where all that salvation and better afterlife comes from: HE just couldn't bear this life. If we wouldn't have killed him, he would have probably done this himself.
Do you know the scene, where Judas doubts his own plan, and doesn't want to go to Kaiphas? Jesus sees this and tells him his, Judas', task is harder than his own: carrying the burden of the traitor, rather than die for your fight. But to find an end, we need the traitor as much as the redeemer.
Who am I to burden this man with the dirt of my own? We went a few miles of our road together, but where he goes I cannot follow."
we are here to help each other get through this thing, whatever it is Vonnegut jr.
i admit you are a genius,satan is too,isn't it? when he begins to doubt God.
i'm just a very little ,little boy,and so weak! i can't control my life! the only thing i can do is just making mistakes. until i met Jesus Christ!
Maybe He is that guy as you said " Tried to take the load of others, and couldn't even carry his own."
Luk 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
i learn from Jesus what real Courage is: that's knowing he is going to die and insist on it; what real Patience is: that's maybe he died for those who will never understand but he insist on it; what real Love is: that's He loved people so much even those who hated Him and put Him die on the cross.
now i have the courage and i dare to talk to you golden genius member,i have patience to keep on talking because God taught me to love.
Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
You will when you believe!
.. Tried to take the load of others, and couldn't even carry his own // i suggest we don't use human's viewpoint, Jesus has indeeded conquered the world and risen from the death,it's a fact not relying on whether we believe or not.
.. He lived a life of agony and pain, and he died a horrible death. // that's true. But also He brought us Hope and Joy! Carried our burden, that's why He died on cross for.
.. Now how can I load my own pain on the back of this guy! // if you really Believe! don't be a stupid man who carried 200 kg load on the train himself cos be afraid of hurting the choochoo.
.. Do you really think he was happy here? Look around. People are a pain.// of course God is not pleased for people who didn't believe in Him. He is so sad about this! if we really can feel God's heart! He gave us free will to choose, but the only thing i do is just disobeying Him, and accusing Him: "god,why did you create so many disasters?why did you bring us so many pains?"
Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed [is] the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat [of] it all the days of thy life;
All these begins,since we didn't believe in God. Isn't it?
We human beings are so proud of ourselves,our intelligence. we are clever enough to have a war and killing others on our own purpose,we can be happy while hurting others, we can achieve goals without our faith.
Please forgive us ! Lord! i'm living having no meaning, without You!
You will when you believe!
Please allow me not to comment - except one thing: please be careful with what you read here.
This is what I am writing, this is not necessarily me. I haven't written this to question, nor to strengthen your belief. I wrote this because I had to write it down. This is what I write, not more: this isn't me, not the truth, not a voice I hear.
I am not christian, not a satanist, not agnostic, certainly not atheist. Classic analysis shows me closest to paganism, but that's juzst a label I can live with, not more.
Live your life, and I live mine, but keep telling me about yours, and I'll keep telling about mine.
i do appreciate what you are doing for the world,doctors should be admired!
i want to express my own feeling: as you said, " Maybe all of this effort is in vain ..." but we're still trying,right? we're trying to make a better world. no pain,no sick.
but now when i look around, there are so many healthy people (physically) living in a sick way. They don't know their life purposes, they are struggling in the world, be willing to be the servant of money,power...
Life is not in our own hand. Who knowns there will be not another cancer(like AIDS)?
Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
i am not a good man. i don't care about others ( even my closest friends,relations). i will not be like you taking so many efforts to save people from death.
But God really saved me! He changed my life! i now find how we need Him! as you said,i can't do anything,that's our status. i think God is pleased with our realizing ourseleves.
Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all [ye] that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
God Bless you all!
You will when you believe!
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