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I was checking out the website and navigation on the left side of the screen is really wonky in IE9. I have to put my cursor almost between the navigation items to get the sub menus to work and it is a really small space. Putting my cursor on the word doesn't work so I can never access your sub menus.
I was interested in looking at your software but I am losing interest quickly because I didn't see any screenshots of what your software looks like. I realize what you are working on is in beta so maybe screenshots are not available but they would have helped me make a decision on whether or not to download/use your application.
Brett A. Whittington
Application Developer
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You can view the screenshots generated during each automated build and release here:
http://www.softwaremonkeys.net/screenshots/[^]
I'm aware of the issue with the menu but haven't figured out why it's happening yet. It seems strange that Microsoft's own browser doesn't work with one of their own ASP.NET menu controls when firefox does.
It's even worse because in some versions of IE I've had it work, but it others it doesn't. And in Chrome it works....most of the time.
I've decided to abandon HTML and JavaScript for the next version, as much as possible.
I'm planning a new version with a silverlight interface, which should help get around the traditional browser compatibility issues and make the whole application a lot more efficient and enjoyable to use.
I'm investigating the possibilities of making the navigation and organization more visual and intuitive, using some of the new features silverlight offers.
I've built a new dependency injection system for the new version and I'm in the process of building a new, more scalable data storage system (built on RavenDB instead of db4o).
The new version will use a lot of existing code and concepts but it's being completely re-organised and refactored from the ground up to make it even more efficient to work with.
I'll post more info once I have at least a prototype of the new version.
modified 20-Feb-12 20:50pm.
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It's available if anyone wants to play:
http://www.paddedwall.org/camopicker/downloads/camopickersetup.msi
It's a 6.6MB download.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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It says in the Start Menu "Shortcut to primary output from CameoPicker". What installer are you using?
Works[^] on Weven, will try it on SUSE somewhere this week.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
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I'm using the Visual Studio Setup Project template. It looks like I still have some tweaking to do in there. (The desktop icon does the same thing.)
I wouldn't get too excited about Linux. If there's something wrong that takes longer than a few minutes to fix for Linux, it ain't gonna happen before the first of the year, and even then, someone else would have to test it. 
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I wouldn't get too excited about Linux. If there's something wrong that takes longer than a few minutes to fix for Linux, it ain't gonna happen before the first of the year, and even then, someone else would have to test it. 
Yeah, and Mono isn't the primary concern of Xamarin.
It's still fun to see a .NET app on something different from Windows. I'm wondering if it'd work on a MacBook Pro?
Bastard Programmer from Hell
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Posted a preview of the upcoming version. If you have comments about the UI, feel free to blast away.
CamoPicker v2 preview[^]
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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As a disinterested party (i.e. would never use the software) but interested in GUI design, my 2c
The tabs in the control layer seem to be ok , not too many of them and the contents look like they're obviously related - but I can imagine a user having to switch between tabs frequently while they play around with colours.
You seem to have two panels headed 'select Paint System' on the General tab, which may be confusing
Personally, looking at the form layout, I would probably make each of the user controls (for I assume that's what they are) collapsible and and re-positionable, and have only one tab (plus maybe the info tab - you don't show that in the screen shot so can't tell)
That way the user can collapse any controls they don't want to see, and drag controls to the top for those they do want to see and use 'right now'
You could also allow them to be re-sized, avoiding the need for scroll bars on some of them...
Then if you wanted to be flash you could have them dockable - so the user could drag them out into their own windows...
It'd make a nice article too - generic dockable sortable collabsible and draggable user controls...
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_Maxxx_ wrote: The tabs in the control layer seem to be ok , not too many of them and the contents look like they're obviously related - but I can imagine a user having to switch between tabs frequently while they play around with colours.
That would only be an issue on the advanced form, but it I don't see a resolution to that.
_Maxxx_ wrote: You seem to have two panels headed 'select Paint System' on the General tab, which may be confusing
The "General" tab is on the simple form, and I simply couldn't think of a better name for it since it holds ALL of the controls on a single tab that had to be broken into different tabs on the advanced form.
The idea is that they will either use the advanced for or the simple form, but not both. In fact, each form is its own version of the same thing.
_Maxxx_ wrote: Personally, looking at the form layout, I would probably make each of the user controls (for I assume that's what they are) collapsible and and re-positionable, and have only one tab (plus maybe the info tab - you don't show that in the screen shot so can't tell)
I can't make them collapsible because one of the tab pages has so many (large) controls on it that they wouldn't fit in the space available.
_Maxxx_ wrote: Then if you wanted to be flash you could have them dockable - so the user could drag them out into their own windows...
To be honest, I was considering making the weapon panel (the panel that shows the environment image with the weapon overlay) a floating window, separate from the controls, but I figured that if someone was already complaining about the size of the app, it wouldn't make much sense to go through the hassle of tying the two forms together.
Thanks for the input. Even though I essentially shot down all your ideas, it gave me stuff to think about, and that's a good thing.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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I followed the link to your v.2. screen-shots, when I downloaded the program I got version 1.0.1.1, which has the older interface.
I couldn't comment on the v.2. interface without having a chance to use it.
But, I'm certainly in no hurry
best, Bill
"I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone." Bjarne Stroustrop circa 1990
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v1.0.1.1 is the latest version available to users. Version 2.0 is under development, and link merely shows screen shots.
BillWoodruff wrote: But, I'm certainly in no hurry
Is that because 1.0 seems to be good enough, or because 1.0 sucks so bad that you're assuming v2 must be even worse.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Is that because 1.0 seems to be good enough, or because 1.0 sucks so bad that you're assuming v2 must be even worse.
Well that's a question puts me between the Devil and the deep blue sea
The answer is: none of above: I'm just curious to see how your new interface works in action. I like to try things before I make comments.
best, Bill
"I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone." Bjarne Stroustrop circa 1990
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Hi All,
I know there are a lot of people over here who have a diverse set of knowledge.
Why not we collaborate and start some C/C++ tools/application development that can benefit us and others also.
We can list out our skills, what tools are required and go about developing it and posting it out in CodeProject.
Please let me know your views on this.
~Thanks
Shakti
India, Bangalore
I am experienced in C/C++.
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How about democraticly ruled company?
If you have an idea on what to do, or have a free time to spend with us, please let us know. Maybe, with your help, somewhere in the future we could have a good plan. If you are enthusiastic enough, here is the link: http://peeramid.org/peeramids/free-programmers
tx :}
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As those of you that have looked at it already know, the software isn't very complicated or extensive. There are only two windows in the app. If you have just 30 minutes to spend on a new release (if it even requires that much time) every few days or so, the next statement is for you.
Being programmers yourselves, you look at stuff that "normal" folks don't, and in different ways. I want to tap into that. If you would like to become an official tester, send me an email with your email address so I can send you the particulars. The testing period will continue until there's a reasonable level of instability in the program (after all, I don't want to make Microsoft nervous by doing any more than they've done with VS2010).
So, if you're up for it, email me.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Just gave it a run[^], got a few points to nag about;
- C/W Rotate, Flip & Mirror-buttons "hide" the weapon.
- There's no exception logged *)
- It'd be nice to see the version number (1.0.0.4) somewhere on the form. **)
- Why can I edit the items in the dropdown-lists?
- When starting, the filename textbox is disabled but it still has a tabstop.
The taborder is correct, I can navigate the app without using the mouse. I'd love to see some keyboard-shortcuts though.
Quite nice
--edit;
*) would help in finding exceptions during this test phase. Would be ideal if there was a button that'd email it to you automagically.
**) it'd really helpfull to have the version-number on each screenshot. You could include it in the title-bar, or as a small label on the form. It helps, a tiny bit.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
modified 8-Oct-11 21:50pm.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
C/W Rotate, Flip & Mirror-buttons "hide" the weapon.
Fixed.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: It'd be nice to see the version number (1.0.0.4) somewhere on the form.
Fixed (I put it in the title bar).
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Why can I edit the items in the dropdown-lists?
Fixed.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
When starting, the filename textbox is disabled but it still has a
tabstop.
Fixed.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: I'd love to see some keyboard-shortcuts though.
This one may come later, but while I'm here, would you just like to bring up that the moon itself hasn't been included in the app?
I'll be uploading a new version tonight.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Fixed (I put it in the title bar).
Nice; it'll help when you get a screenshot
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: This one may come later, but while I'm here, would you just like to bring up that the moon itself hasn't been included in the app?
Hehe 
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I'll be uploading a new version tonight.
Cool, will be checking it soon.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
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A quick spin[^] on the Linux' machine;
Everything seems to work, flipping and rotating a monochrome image, with the exception of the "Advanced" button.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
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What's wrong with the advanced button? Doesn't it display the Advanced Viz form?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: What's wrong with the advanced button? Doesn't it display the Advanced Viz form?
No, it exits the application.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
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Thanks for the notification 
/* LIFE RUNS ON CODE */
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http://www.paddedwall.org/guns/camopicker.aspx[^]
Download link is at the bottom of the page.
EDIT =======================
The following items will be in tonight's build (sometime around 4:30pm US central time):
0) I remembered that I added some colors to the Duracoat paint system item, and because I didn't have the actual color values at the time, they'll all show up as white. I've since added the actual color info.
1) Currently, if you turn off all weapon layers in the advanced vis form, it will render a completely blank image. While there's really nothing wrong with that (because at least the app doesn't crash as a result - grin), I modified the code to at least produce the select weapon's outline.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
modified 4-Oct-11 10:46am.
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will download once at home and give it a whirl or two. 
Just along for the ride.
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)
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Thanks for the notification in the thread below 
The website states that the App is open source, but I couldn't find a download-link (yet). I tried the new version on OpenSUSE, as the assemblies are binary compatible. It runs[^], but it has trouble finding the weapons. I'm assuming that there's some path-concatenation going wrong, but there's no exceptions.
It might be easy to make it Mono-compatible, adding both the 'ux and the Mac to your supported platforms.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
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