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Und wenn du lange in einen abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein - Friedrich Nietzsche
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... in black helicopters based at FEMA death camps
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Transvestites - Roberts in Disguise!
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I looked over the video and other sources late last night.
Usually in this sort of situation, there's a lot of suspicion but no solid proof. This case appears to be different: people have actually uncovered indisputable proof of fraud.
People published information about the shooting on the web before the shooting occurred, sometimes even days before the shooting occurred. Right now, the Bing search engine still has a cached copy of a newspaper article timestamped the day before the shooting containing a reference to an interview with the school principal's account of the shooting.
That school principal died in the shooting, so unless journalists have the magic powers to do seances with ghosts from the future, we have a serious problem.
Edit: bing cache link, still working:
http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?d=27022733625131571&w=yZ8j1YFE_Mw[^]
modified 16 Jan '13 - 19:52.
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jesarg wrote: ight now, the Bing search engine still has a cached copy of a newspaper article timestamped the day before the shooting containing a reference to an interview with the school principal's account of the shooting.
Did you save them?
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Yes, I saved a copy of the cached page on my home machine last night.
Now, of course, I'm at work and can't go browsing for links. I can pick this up again once I get home.
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jesarg wrote: People published information about the shooting on the web before the shooting occurred, sometimes even days before the shooting occurred. Right now, the Bing search engine still has a cached copy of a newspaper article timestamped the day before the shooting containing a reference to an interview with the school principal's account of the shooting.
That school principal died in the shooting, so unless journalists have the magic powers to do seances with ghosts from the future, we have a serious problem.
And that's what really got my attention. How could that possibly happen?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Ummm, haven't watched it or anything but timestamps can be changed....and all this "evidence" is after the fact?
If your neighbours don't listen to The Ramones, turn it up real loud so they can.
“We didn't have a positive song until we wrote 'Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue!'” ― Dee Dee Ramone
"The Democrats want my guns and the Republicans want my porno mags and I ain't giving up either" - Joey Ramone
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Before the shooting was reported, nobody was looking for evidence of any sort, so of course it all happened afterwards.
Google, Bing, and Facebook all recorded content being created related to the shooting before the shooting happened. It's unlikely that the entire internet tech industry is trying to frame people; the most obvious explanation is that people really did post the content too early, and the bots mindlessly recorded it just like they mindlessly record everything else.
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jesarg wrote: the most obvious explanation is that people really did post the content too
early,
Wrong.
The most likely explanation is that the data is wrong. The second most like explanation is that there is a problem with the collection methodology.
Which is basically the same problems that can occur with any scientific hypothesis which attempts to prove something. Especially when the only source is the internet.
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The video itself is a fake.
Everybody knows that mad aliens did this.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Could it really have been planned in advance - by the government. I usually
label this kinda thing as a crackpot conspiracy theory, but some interesting
points are made - right up to the end of this 30-minute video, and especially at
the end of it.
There are many conspiracy theories that make interesting points. That however doesn't alter the fact that they are illogically and incorrectly reasoned in small but significant ways.
And those are the better ones. The ones that are worse are those that are slightly insane and/or are poorly reasoned, use sources that are obviously flawed/biased, use 'logic' which isn't or dismiss 'logic' outright. And at the lower end are those that are clearly insane babbling.
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... for all those who flamed me for calling Armstrong a freakin cheater a few months back :
Hit this[^]
Not only is he an arrogant prick, but he also is THE greatest cheater ever.
His attempt to come back in grace of public opinion is just pathetic. Furthermore, he is now giving away names to blame other in order to save a small part of his doped butt.
He is a living joke. Please media of the world, ignore him.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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Rage wrote: Armstrong
Somehow I thought you are talking about the Astronaut... Wasn't there an Astronaut called Armstrong?
Dammit. Beginning of the week and I am already going nuts  .
Edit: I knew there was this guy called Armstrong[^].
cheeeeeerriooooss
Marco Alessandro Bertschi
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Marco Alessandro Bertschi wrote: Wasn't there an Astronaut called Armstrong?
Ask the Dalek. 
I was talkign about the cheater, not the astronaut.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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Rage wrote: I was talkign about the cheater, not the astronaut.
I recognized it as soon as I clicked the link.
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Rage wrote: I was talkign about the cheater, not the astronaut.
Either way, both incidents were cheating, one did it in an individual capacity and the other was part of a grand plan.
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Shameel wrote: and the other was part of a grand plan.
Nonsense
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What the hell are you getting so worked up about. It's not as if you would have won the Tour de France if he did not cheat.
This is the reality of professional sports, most athletes, that need to perform at the level that Armstrong needed to perform at, cheat in one way or another, to get an advantage on their competitors. It just happens to be that he got caught and the others have not been caught yet.
Then again, maybe his cheating involved your wife and/or girlfriend, then it is fully understandable that you got you panties in a knot.
If only closed minds would come with closed mouths.
Ego non sum semper iustus tamen Ego sum nunquam nefas!
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Sorry, I do not belong to the community "Why do you care, they are all cheating anyway". What gets me upset are , in no particular order:
- The fact that some good athletes, especially French ones, who would have truly deserved winning the Tour de France but could not due to this organized cheating.
- The fact that Armstrong so arrogantly bragged about his pseudo-victories, despising the French journalist, and the rest of the racers. Indurain was probably as charged as him, but at least he shut the f*** up.
- The fact that he was a model and a hope for a lot of people with cancer and simply betrayed their trust by acting like a jerk.
- The fact that people have wasted time and energy to save him from cancer, and all he did after that was endangering his life again despite the chance that had been given him.
You'd be happy to learn that my world is wider than only my wife or even my family. I care about what happens in the world, and this particular case, no matter how insignificant it should be for you, drives me mad.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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Do not get me wrong I also care what goes on around the world, I do however tend to pay more attention to issues that affect humanity in one way or another.
When I first heard about the Lance Armstrong saga, I thought to myself what an idiot he just guttered his whole cycling career and his reputation, and that is where my opinion ended. The Live Strong Foundation will not be affected by his actions and will continue to raise funds to assist people with cancer.
I just don't care to raise my blood pressure over issues that have absolutely no impact on the general wellbeing of myself and/or other people.
If only closed minds would come with closed mouths.
Ego non sum semper iustus tamen Ego sum nunquam nefas!
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I agree totally. I would also add...#
- His aggressiveness in going after other riders who tried to blow the whistle on him and how he actively ensured their careers were ruined as a result of daring to oust5 him.#
- The fact he used his power in the Sport to intimidate his teammates into doping and also to cover up his doping.
- The fact he not also got winnings but damage payments from Newspapers such as the Sunday Times for printing stories that suggested he doped.
There are many more reasons that this man is despicable as well.
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Rage wrote: He is a living joke. Please media of the world, ignore him.
Good start.
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Fair point.
Not sure however if my little rant counts.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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The sport was so rife with dope cheats that it was inevitable that he would also be one - remember when the Tour de France had a sit down strike because dope testing was to be introduced and they didn't like it?
Armstrong was a special case though: trading on his "clean", "drug free" status and lying through his teeth.
The only reason he is doing this is to try and stop the sponsors grabbing the money back, I figure.
If you get an email telling you that you can catch Swine Flu from tinned pork then just delete it. It's Spam.
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OriginalGriff wrote: Armstrong was a special case though: trading on his "clean", "drug free" status and lying through his teeth
Yep, exactly my point.
OriginalGriff wrote: remember when the Tour de France had a sit down strike
That was pathetic. And the movement was led by Laurent Jalabert. (1998, The Tour of Doping).
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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The Oprah Winfrey Show, the first step into the path to redemption.
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Le Gauchiste wrote:
The Oprah Winfrey Show, the first step into the
path to redemption and self-loathing.
FTFY. 
Chris Meech
I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar]
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra]
posting about Crystal Reports here is like discussing gay marriage on a catholic church’s website.[Nishant Sivakumar]
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It's a public secret that everyone takes doping, even in the amateur divisions.
You can call Amstrong a cheater and you're right, but if everyone takes it then it's not really cheating is it?
In fact, it are the teams and doctors that are leeching off the industry to make money; endangering the lives of kids who's dream it is to be the next Eddy Merckx. Most of the athletes are indoctrinated from a young age that you have to take doping to make it.
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Movie Quote Of The Day
(for obvious reasons in the soapbox today)
All right, pussy, pussy, pussy! Come on in pussy lovers! Here at the Titty Twister we're slashing pussy in half! Give us an offer on our vast selection of pussy, this is a pussy blow out! All right, we got white pussy, black pussy, Spanish pussy, yellow pussy, we got hot pussy, cold pussy, we got wet pussy, we got smelly pussy, we got hairy pussy, bloody pussy, we got snappin' pussy, we got silk pussy, velvet pussy, Naugahyde pussy, we even got horse pussy, dog pussy, chicken pussy! Come on, you want pussy, come on in, pussy lovers! If we don't got it, you don't want it! Come on in, pussy lovers!
Which movie?
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One of my all time favourites, and you quoted this movie a couple of months ago as well.
Ahhhh, Salma.......
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: and you quoted this movie a couple of months ago as well.
because it is
Pete O'Hanlon wrote: One of my all time favourites
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Puss in Boots : The Nighttime edition
Rhys
"If you ever start taking things too seriously, just remember that we are talking monkeys on an organic spaceship flying through the Universe"
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WSPA - recruitement movie for new donors
Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932
modified 15 Jan '13 - 5:30.
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Thunderball 2 - The Return of Pussy Galore
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Transvestites - Roberts in Disguise!
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Paris Hilton meets the 101st Airborne?
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H
OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre
I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer
Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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I thought it was the TV show "Are You Being Served"
Mrs. Betty Slocombe, head of the ladies' department. She is known for her changing hair colour and conversations about her cat, which she always refers to as her pussy.
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This quote will never see the light of day.
If you vote me down, my score will only get lower
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That James Bond movie "Goldfinger".
It has got Pussy Galore!
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A Mexican woodpecker and a Canadian woodpecker were in Mexico arguing about which place
had the toughest trees.
The Mexican woodpecker claimed Mexico had a tree that no woodpecker could peck.
The Canadian woodpecker accepted his challenge and promptly pecked a hole in the
tree with no problem. The Mexican woodpecker was amazed.. The Canadian woodpecker
then challenged the Mexican woodpecker to peck a tree in Canada that was absolutely 'impeckable' (a term frequently used by woodpeckers ). The Mexican woodpecker expressed confidence that he could do it and accepted the challenge. The two flew to Canada where the Mexican woodpecker successfully pecked the so-called 'impeckable' tree almost without breaking a sweat. Both woodpeckers were now terribly confused. How is it that the Canadian woodpecker was able to peck the Mexican tree, and the Mexican woodpecker was able to peck the Canadian tree, yet neither was able to peck the tree in their own country?
After much woodpecker pondering, they both came to the same conclusion:
Apparently, your pecker gets harder when you're away from home.
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If it moves, compile it
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Die! Die a painful death!
That link was, was, was, just bad.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H
OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre
I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer
Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: That link was, was, was, just bad.
And this is why I posted it to the Soapbox.
Added a bad link warning  .
cheers,
Marco Alessandro Bertschi
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How do women get minks? The same way minks get minks! 
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Author of Primary ROleplaying SysTem
How do I take my coffee? Black as midnight on a moonless night.
War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
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