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...or an admin with direct access to the SQL tables
(all fixed)
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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When I describe my job to lay people I tell them that it is like being paid to solve crosswords all day.
As a programmer of embedded systems I am, of course, an engineer as well.
Ian
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The creator.
That's how I feel about coding my own stuff (3D game, to be precise). 
A bdsm slave and a lil bit of a puzzle-solver
That's how I feel when I have to code some corporate stuff... 
in another thousand years we'll be machines or gods█
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Sure, I can work weekends. Until 2am.
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As a coder,, what do you see yourself as?
There is a superfluous comma.
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I consider myself as a specialist. Think of me as the weirdest person you know. After that, imagine me looking like the person next to you. Yeah. The boring or interesting person next to you.
I do a lot of things. Most people consider me as something special. I don't think much of it because most of the time...I think of doing something stupid. It just so happens that those stupid ideas work in real life.
This is why I am a Hunter and an Other. I Hunt for something while doing another thing to keep me entertained.
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When I say artist I see it more as a term of endearment for the pride i take in my work.
I am a back end programmer in a large firm and most of my work never sees the light of day but keeps the wheels turning.
In art you create on a blank canvas with nothing but your wits and creativity. as you grow and learn more (art: chiaroscuro etc programming: design patterns etc) you learn from the masters. appreciate their style and take from it what appeals to your own creative style.
In the end you create something uniquely you.
Art is not pretentious. maybe the art world is but not the art or the artist. I appreciate other developers work and try my best to emulate what i like but never exactly. I have too much respect for them to do that and too much pride for myself to duplicate others.
In short I suggest you look again and ask yourself if you are not an artist (even if you are a hidden one who paints on the underside of the real canvas  )
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Are you passing a null value here 
Never underestimate the difference U can make in the lives of others.
∫(Edo )dx = Tzumer
∑k( this.Kid) k = this. ♥
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I personally actually HAVE changed the world, I got access to the source code
Good luck to all you sea drops out there...
Never underestimate the difference U can make in the lives of others.
∫(Edo )dx = Tzumer
∑k( this.Kid) k = this. ♥
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Ok, where did you get the source code from?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Forogar wrote: where did you get the source code from?
Another one that does not see the matrix 
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Another one that did not see my signature.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Another one not catching an ironic joke  
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Another one... <mumble, mumble=""> [can't think of a good comeback anymore].
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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All I do is flush data down the drain 
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artist? No. Just, no.
craftsman? maybe some day. But no.
engineer? Not sure I buy that either.
People take themselves WAY too seriously.
Why not just add "cyberjocky" and "Level 37 Hacker" while you're at it?
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The software is more like a craft that a science. Is the only explain of those millions of different solutions to the same thing: such different programming languages, frameworks, architectures, perspectives.
If you wouldn't take yourself seriously, you wouldn't bother yourself to write that post, you would laugh in front of a mirror
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Calling myself an engineer doesn't seem right. It somehow reminds me of how lawyers (I used to be one) changed their titles in the USA. The initials after the name were once LLB (bachelor of law), then, because lawyers wanted to be equal in status to doctors, they changed it to JD (juris doctor). Although there are plenty of principles we apply as programmers, it doesn't seem to quite be the equivalent of engineering. On the flip side, we do make many aesthetic choices. It seems closer to art, although calling ourselves artists would be, I suppose, equally pretentious.
modified 16-Jul-13 11:28am.
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I have a PhD and I like to think it stands for "Programmer, hard Driven".
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Speak for yourself.
I am a 'real' engineer. I have 2 Bachelor degrees: electrical engineering and computer science. The way I look at it, one is hardware related and one is software. I do much the same activities with both... I solve problems by designing and building something, using judgement, sound principles and certain measures of quality and craftsmanship. You can build something elaborate, simple, quality, junk, big, little, creative, mundane. Whatever I build has users. Sometimes I am high up in the hierarchy, sometimes on the bottom rung, and different levels of problem detail are addressed at each activity level. There are elite designers and monkeys in both. IMHO both are engineering.
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Harvey
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