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I was kinda hoping MVC would go away but it hasn't so I've been learning it lately...'course now that I'm investing some time in it, it will probably get blown away by something else.
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Did a nice little project in MVC. Can't see what all the fuss is about.
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Yeah, I don't know why I dragged my feet, it's not that bad. I'm doing a little project with MVC5 but no Entity Framework...using MySQL for the database and doing the data access by hand...just to be contrary, and because I'm more familiar with MySQL.
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I did use EF with MySQL: didn't work that well as a bit messy and unable to use stored procs... unless somebody know any different? 
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You might be better off posting the question on the database or ASP.Net forum?
I haven't had any luck with ORM's myself...it seems like the amount of effort you put into learning the thing, you could have done it by hand more elegantly.
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Thanks but project done and dusted. Worked fine: I just prefer stored procs.
DaveX86 wrote: I haven't had any luck with ORM's myself...it seems like the amount of effort you put into learning the thing, you could have done it by hand more elegantly
I'm going back to ADO. Slick and fast.
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Personally, I find MVC easier and cleaner than WebForms.
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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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At least it's not WebDNA, which we're saddled with owing to a salesderp's "I did it myself!ism"
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Doesn't really address my biggest issue with webforms: the opacity of the view state / page life cycle / postback interactions.
MVC has a single opaque area: model binding. And you can completely opt out of that if you don't want to participate in that nonsense.
Try opting out of viewstate and see how many of your webforms pages still work. He even mentions this in his article: Quote: I recommend disabling ViewState in the Web.Config and then just turn it on when you get to a page that just does [not] seem to work right.
So his answer is to guess when you need viewstate? Sorry, but I prefer to anticipate problems before they happen.
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Nadella took the stage to motivate the troops to build something awesome. He is quoted as saying "This is the time to stop the criticism and do something about it" when referring to the fact that far too often employees will complain internally about how certain features are built or overlooked when shipping a new product. "I am rubber, you are glue. Bounces off me and sticks to you."
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He's got there attention now; "Quit complaining or you could be one of the 18K", while he cracks the whip.
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
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If MS wants to adopt and foster an environment of innovation, why don't they offer a 20% project time in a similar fashion to Google? A 36 hour hackathon really doesn't cut it.
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From what I've read elsewhere on the web, as Google's grown up and went from having 3 products to 300 and back to 30; 20% time's died because they've got a full suite of products now and are more interested in cutting the deadwood out of their portfolio. In the other direction were MS bloggers claiming to get similar amounts of total time to work on blue sky projects except that it was mostly concentrated in big lumps after shipping products and early in the dev cycle for the next version.
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Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Antivirus products increase a computer's attack surface and may even lower operating system protections, a security researcher says. I'll take, "Predictable news" for $200, Alex
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Under sunny summer skies in Redmond on Tuesday morning, the new Microsoft CEO cranked a siren to start a 38.5-hour hackathon — bringing together more than 10,000 employees from across the company to work on a wide variety of projects. Don't expect your bug report to get much attention this week
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Rejoice, O lovers of privacy! For Open WhisperSystems has released Signal for iPhone, which gives any and every iPhone wielder the power to fully encrypt their calls against prying ears — and is completely compatible with OWS’s time-tested and well-liked RedPhone for Android. "There's a man who leads a life of danger. To everyone he meets he stays a stranger"
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We’ve reached a bit of a turning point in the world of programming. Ten years ago, programmers were moving into dynamic languages. To many of us, those languages seemed like a bit of a fad, even if they made programming easier. But those languages endured, and today we’re developing software with a combination of old and new tools. That creates the potential for confusion: What languages are best to learn if you want to stay employed? I'll save you the look: PL/1 and APL were snubbed (again)
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<PedanticGrumpyOldFartMode>
It's PL/I[^], not PL/1.
</PedanticGrumpyOldFartMode>
Software Zen: delete this;
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Well, it's good to know one's self 
TTFN - Kent
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The funny thing is that I know a few people who professionally use PL/I. I don't know anybody who uses Erlang.
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Yeah, I have a friend happily coding in PL/1... sorry, PL/I.
I guess next time I'll have to pick on another language. Maybe I should have just stuck with the Lounge's favourite kicking boy VB?
TTFN - Kent
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That's because nobody does.
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I will be working in precisely zero of those languages next year.
SQL/Perl/C++/Bash (shut up it is too.)
Because I need to get actual work done.
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