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Well, they're still saying it will be free, so I don't think you'll get a discount 
But yeah, Service Pack 3 as is SOP.
TTFN - Kent
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I had heard that but don't know if I believe it or not and if it is free shirley it won't be for the Pro version?
Any time I hear free I start to wonder what the catch will be.
New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.1 new web site.
When you are dead you don't know it, it's only difficult for others.
It's the same when you're stupid.
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Mike Hankey wrote: Any time I hear free I start to wonder what the catch will be.
Remember, if it's free, then you're the product!
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote: Remember, if it's free, then you're the product!
Yeah that's what worries me!
Wonder if it's approved and/or subsidized by the NSA? 
New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.1 new web site.
When you are dead you don't know it, it's only difficult for others.
It's the same when you're stupid.
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Mike Hankey wrote: I had heard that but don't know if I believe it or not and if it is free shirley it won't be for the Pro version?
I assume not for pro version.
Mike Hankey wrote: Any time I hear free I start to wonder what the catch will be.
Free upgrade only for a year after RTM.
Kevin
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Thanks for the heads up.
New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.1 new web site.
When you are dead you don't know it, it's only difficult for others.
It's the same when you're stupid.
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I've not actually seen anything mentioned about the Pro version. I'm just guessing.
My desktop is Win 7 Pro and either way I'll likely leave it that way. My laptops is Win 8.1 consumer version, so I'll probably take up 10 when it appears.
Kevin
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Yeah I'm running Win7 Pro on my desktop and I'll probably keep it as long as I can.
I've got Win10 on a VM and have been kicking the tires but see no reason to be in any hurry to upgrade.
New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.1 new web site.
When you are dead you don't know it, it's only difficult for others.
It's the same when you're stupid.
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Mike Hankey wrote: Any time I hear free I start to wonder what the catch will be.
Free upgrade only for a year after RTM.
Only guaranteed to be free for a year. Since it's to MS's benefit to get users on the newest version and retail sales of upgrade licenses are negligible compared to the rest of Windows revenue I'd be stunned if they make it a pay upgrade at some point in the future.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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That's because MS wants all of its Enterprise customers on a Software Assurance site license instead of buying boxed copies and SA comes with upgrade/downgrade options baked in.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Mike Hankey wrote: I wonder if they'll give pre-order discounts like they did with 7?
I'm wondering to. They did discounts with 8 as well; but I'm wondering if the free 7/7 to 10 upgrade program will be all we get. I'm hoping otherwise because one of my summer projects is going to be to refresh a few old Vista era budget boxes for uncle that have his kids are using again for school because it swapped out chomebooks for ipads this year and they need something with a keyboard for writing reports. The kids don't want Vista, my uncle doesn't want to buy 3 new boxes, and the idea of spending $100/box to put a newer OS on machines that were only $300-400 when new makes me cringe.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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When they speak of "launch", doesn't it actually mean Windows 10 will RTM even earlier, maybe at the end of June, and GA (general availability) will be much later, say, at the end of October? I'm really curious what they're going to ship in the end given the fact that the current builds were rather buggy and haven't been so stable (at least for me). Maybe they repeat the Windows 8.1 scenario: RTM an unfinished/incomplete product and deliver the "final" bits via an update just before they hit GA (gives them another three months to iron out bugs).
I'm not so sure if I'll upgrade right away. The only compelling reason for users running Windows 8/8.1 on a non-touch device is the ability to run apps in floating windows now. Personally, I don't care a lot for all the app crap, so they could rather just give me a Windows without all that non-sense. I don't even ask for a Start menu, and the new one they came up with is ugly and can't compete with the Windows 7 one, at least not in its current incarnation, so the only reason to upgrade for everyone running Windows 7 would be for the better performance, but the UI still su~ks.
Further, what I don't like is that they made it really hard to create a local account during setup, which leaves a bad taste in my mouth because it means they're subtly forcing people the create an MS account to log-in. Guess that's the pay-off for going all-in on cloud first, mobile first. People who don't use that stuff are left in the rain.
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FIorian Schneidereit wrote: Further, what I don't like is that they made it really hard to create a local account during setup
I noticed that too. And it got me really steamed.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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For my recent 7 to 8.1 upgrade adventure (upgrading from a BIOS to UEFI system is a cluster elephant) I painlessly dodged the issue and was never bugged to create an MS account or convert my existing login. What I think happened was that I didn't have a network connection at that point in the install (accidentally pulled the cable loose) and it did an intelligent fallback to not even mentioning the option it couldn't setup.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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The Ten Commandments for security professionals:
- Keep your mouth shut
I believe that Chris Roberts was extremely irresponsible to twitter (twit?) his musings on the subject, and that the Feds and United handled the issue correctly. How were they to know that this guy wasn't a terrorist?
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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It is very admirable that Chris Roberts spend his time on finding vulnerabilities - it is a very boring task most of the time...However to play with it, while half of the world hacking the other half to scare them to death (literally sometimes) is so childish...It is nothing more than a show-off of an irresponsible man who holds the wrong position (One World Labs! Are you listening?)...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Developers who have the right mix of Internet of Things skills and experience will soon command big bucks, but the time to start acquiring those skill is now. "Wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things."
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It's said that just about anything that's broken can be fixed with one of two things. OK, I admit I put this in entirely for the headline
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Windows Phone fans pining for the days of Metro panoramas and integrated experiences have had a tough couple of years, with Microsoft steadily removing many of the platform’s user experience differentiators. While probably also explaining the 'ex-Microsoft' part
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Together, we are making it even easier for game developers to use the rich capabilities of the Visual Studio IDE to develop games for today’s most popular platforms. Game on!
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Oh yeah that is just what we need MORE games!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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When Microsoft Open Technologies was founded as a subsidiary of Microsoft -- under Steve Ballmer's reign -- many in the open source community hailed it as a major win, and it was. Yes
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When Microsoft said it wouldn't rule out putting Windows in the open source domain, people scoffed -- but it could be a shrewd business move for the cloud era. RMS' brain would explode?
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