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I don't think I really want to change my job at this moment, mainly the bonus and the increment ahead in few months. And I want to do some extra projects with outside people, to build a relationship to start my own company at the end of next year 
If you've never failed... You've never lived...
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I'll do this sooner or later.
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Bes Luck for that!!
A drop of water breaks a rock not by brute force but by patience.
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One more category: Hope I'll be Leaving the workforce?
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For me (at 40) it will not happen this decade but maybe in 10 to 15 years provided the US government does not make make crazy increases in the tax I will have to pay to withdraw my from my retirement accounts to avoid the expected massive social security shortfall.
John
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i think, best start your own gig before retirement. Grow it, grow it enough so by time you really need to leave workforce, you have alternate income stream. Best of Luck!
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I'm retired and definitely have no plans to change that.
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I may if I am getting hired by NASA or Lockheed Martin!! WHO KNOWS!!!! 
A drop of water breaks a rock not by brute force but by patience.
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Congrats! do you get to design drones and sh*t?!
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Ha ha ha....Designing the, so called 'Sh*t' would be a new kinda achievement. Who's In?
A drop of water breaks a rock not by brute force but by patience.
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Anyway congrats - wish you have an adventurous journey working for NASA/LM
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Design the new F-16 falcon
Programmer's C# { Do it Better;}
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How about their new F22's...a complete redesign!!!!.....I thought they where light and still big. 
A drop of water breaks a rock not by brute force but by patience.
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Got an offer in July, my company counter offered and I accepted.
Only problem is, they never came through on their end. No new title. No new role. More of the same.
My new boss on the org chart isn't even the person I report to, who assigns me work, or signs my time cards.
Yes, I will be gone, hopefully before the end of the year.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin
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Never accept a counter. The reasons for your wanting to leave will remain.
Take for example the simple idea of money. Even if your counter offer goes through with it they will likely just take it out of your next review.
Once you announce you are leaving you should. If you want your manager to fight for you then use subtle hints at review time that you are unhappy and what will make you happy. If the manager follows through you are then happy. If not then you look where you "may" end up happier.
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i think it's a little more complicated ... for example, risk of working for the new firm? you never know if you're walking into sh*t storm until you actually starts with the new firm
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devvvy wrote: i think it's a little more complicated ... for example, risk of working for the new firm? you never know if you're walking into sh*t storm until you actually starts with the new firm
If a person is worried about what they are walking into then why accept the offer? Why tell your current employer you are quitting for said offer?
The only reason a person would do that is a hope they get a bump in pay or job title. And my point stands... What ever you get will just come out of the next year(s).
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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Collin Jasnoch wrote: If a person is worried about what they are walking into then why accept the offer?
You don't need to "Worry about it", one just need "Run into it"
Sounds like you haven't met your defeat the whole life?
Collin Jasnoch wrote: Why tell your current employer you are quitting for said offer?
You don't. In school and HR, they tell you one should speak openly. That's shortest path to end your career in reality.
Collin Jasnoch wrote: The only reason a person would do that is a hope they get a bump in pay or job title.
Urm... title is useless these days. You know how many VP there is in a bank!? It's absurb.
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devvvy wrote: You don't need to "Worry about it", one just need "Run into it"
Sounds like you haven't met your defeat the whole life?
I am not sure what you saying.
Maybe you missed my point.
On day 0 your know nothing of secondary job.
On day 1 you find out about it.
On day 2 you apply.
On day 3 they ask for phone screen.
On day 4 they ask for on site interview.
On day 5 they give you an offer.
These days are more spaced out.
At this point you have 3 options.
1. Reject Offer
2. Accept Offer
3. Make a counter offer
Both the second and third assume you will be happy with the job. You will not learn any more about it until you start it.
Here is the point. If it is a "Bad" department as you say, then you already know what you will know (before actually starting). Therefore why bother?
devvvy wrote: Urm... title is useless these days. You know how many VP there is in a bank!? It's absurb.
Not entirely true. Many employers have pay scales based on title. If you are say a "Jr." but are at the top of the pay scale it is a good move to attempt to become a "Sr." otherwise your next reviews you will see little change in pay. By switching to a "Sr." level position you will likely shift to the low mid range (usually there is overlap) allowing room for bumps in pay.
In some companies they even shift developers etc. into the "VP" title as you said it so that by the HR books they are paid appropriately.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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Collin Jasnoch wrote: Both the second and third assume you will be happy with the job. You will not learn any more about it until you start it.
Exactly, most don't know what they are really up against until they are on the job, probably a few months afterward!
Collin Jasnoch wrote: Not entirely true. Many employers have pay scales based on title.
Agree, depends on sector. Especially gov work all get paid in accordance to "Payscale"
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devvvy wrote: Exactly, most don't know what they are really up against until they are on the job, probably a few months afterward!
My response to the OP was to never accept a counter offer. This assumes you are not yet at the "new" job as I have never heard of getting a counter offer after starting the new job.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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In late May I just left Portugal to embrace a new challenge in Switzerland.
It's been great on it's own but watching the news it was clearly the best decision I haver made.
Was not an easy one tho. I had to leave behind everything I ever knew for 35 years as being my habitat, my familly, my son, my friends, my "secure", technologically challenging and well payed (for the standards) job but yet again, it worths all the way.
Leaving your conffort zone is hard, and it's really easy to find an convincing excuse not to but if you're not happy with what you have, quit complaining and work your way out as soon as possible.
GO!!
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Agree with you completely, its not easy to come out of your comfort zone. But if you are ambitious and want growth, i feel change is must.
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Guess it's better not to change jobs here and there so your career records will be good..
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And what about if the firm where you are is not challenging you, the job you have to do is boring, you are stuck in a position for the rests...
It is not so nice to see someone that has changed firm 4 or 5 times in 3 years, I agree with that. But if you are young and started to work 3 or 4 changes in 10 years is not bad. You are developing your skills and learning different methodes from different places.
If you are so lucky that you have the job of your dreams at the first moment... perfect. But if not... to change is the only thing you have.
Regards.
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M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
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