My office mostly still uses XP, though Windows 7 is coming in on new machines. The software my office makes does not and wont be supporting Windows 8 in the near future.
I think where Microsoft went wrong is that they needed versions depending on where they are used. We all got use to home, professional, ultimate etc. But that doesnt work with an OS that is clearly made for touchscreens. MS would have been better to have Windows 8 Desktop Touch, Desktop, Tablet and Phone. Make the desktop version user friendly for mouse users and non-touchscreen systems. I dont know anyone with a touchscreen pc. They are still cost prohibitive to most people.
I moved all my projects, my work, my everything to Linux, embedded Linux, Android and OSX some years ago. I am not locking back at all. I check what is going with Win on once in a while looking over the shoulder of some die hard win fellows though.
Interesting to see that even long-term fans (well, i have been following Windows also very intensive from day one doing complex enterprise apps scratching my head due too DLL/app/whatever update problems and other time killers) now think again with Win8.
The enterprise world seems to move from XP to Win7 in the hope to skip Win8 too. Its a plane with a still high altitude but it is descending and i do not see any energy left.
Anyways - i am just watching. Not interested anymore.
I think the bad rap for Clippy the annoying Office assistant mainly came from a catstrophic implementation choice in the first versions: it was a pimped up modal dialog. So while Clippy looked like window dressing, you were forced to interact with it.
The worst thing about the Metro facade is repetition of that original Clippy mistake: forcing me to interact with it, instead of being an option.
There are also some implementation deficiencies: e.g. getting rid of a Metro app requires keyboard, or a long drag, and drops you back to the start screen, which requires a different method (so 2x Alt+F4 won't do the trick). I often miss a "back" button.
(The AppStore is terrible. Just terrible terrible terrible. It could be good, but it looks terrible, navigates terrible and works not much better. I'd also prefer more editorial content, because I am actually not stoked by the ability to pick from fove dozen tools to open .gizmo, all of which screaming their superiority at me while being mum about their shady business models.)
However, as a UX concept, I quite like The Style Formerly Known As Metro. A well designed Metro interface is smooth, inviting, clutter-free, and lets the actual content stand out.
Visually, it is certainly an improvement over the window glassgloss and colorful-blob-of-something icons growing more and more dysfunctional. (e.g. we had to replace button-style radio buttons with actual radio Buttons, because the pressed state is almost impossible to distinguish on most color schemes. Same goes for list selection without focus - on cheapo LCD's, hard to tell; had to add a rectangle around the item to stop the complaints.)
The Windows 8 desktop has some minor welcome improvements, otherwise it's a vanilla Windows 7 - i.e. good. The start screen works identical to the old start menu für keyboard jockeys, so I didn't mind at first. Right now I'm trying some replacements, e.g. Pokki[^] is a great example how good a metro-based interface can be if done right.
Installed Win8 and Start8[^] on my gaming rig, and disabled the Modern UI crap.
Next time I have free time, I will create some Hyper-V VM's coupled with RemoteFX vGPU to multibox in some of the MMOs I play. If it won't turn out to perform well, I may as well switch back to Win7, or throw in more GPUs :/
Window 8 is pathetic because the time you save in reboot is wasted in many folds for searching and opening programs. I am running it in an Ultrabook that I recently won.
I work with it occasionally, and straight to desktop mode. Know what? I made some small bat files for opening important things and put it in a folder.
However I am still in love with my 15" Sony VAIO with Windows 7, for it's display and contrast is better. I can quickly run programs and do stuff that I do.
I shifted to Windows purely due to visual studio and Ms-Access and then .Net.
But now Microsoft seems all set to promoting Javascipt and HTML5 . When you produce something like Silverlight and Wpf, you just dont ditch them! All these Metro style Apps and all? Get real! Our Car service center software has 300 forms and 80 tables. To replicate the same functionality in Metro or HTML5, one would have to be really rich as he would have to spend years trying to do it.
If MS stops promoting the software that we have loved so much and force the issues, I am out of it. I am not going to use javascipt just because Ms wants me to.
I never thought that Js would be part of VS honestly. The shock and insecurity is making me to look for different things.
When Vista came out I tried it on a VM for a few weeks and then made a dual boot partition on my main machine and then hardly ever booted back to XP - although I really liked XP and keep it on my file and print servers at home. Vista gave me almost no problems after the initial new interface learning - I must have had sufficiently compatible hardware - or avoided the problem by leaving all my old hardware attached to the aforementioned XP machines.
When Windows 7 came out I tried it on a VM for a few weeks and then made a dual boot partition with my old Vista 32-bit and my new Windows 7 64-bit. I have since almost never booted back to Vista and the XP partition went when I replaced it with Windows 7. Windows 7 is great, it recognizes everything, it plays well with everything I have ever plugged in (scanners, cameras, printers, weird keyboard extenders and other external devices of various kinds) and lots of old and new software, games and utilities - even though a lot of them are not 64-bit. I put it on three of my machines and have had zero issues after the initial interface learning (control panel changes, etc.).
This is more or less the pattern I have followed since DOS 3.30 (only skipping Windows ME) all the way up to Windows 8.
When Windows 8 came out I tried it on a VM for a few weeks and then deleted it in disgust. The only good feature seemed to be the fast boot and since I reboot all my machines annually, whether they need it or not, this isn't a world-beating feature for me. My two laptops both have a wonderful feature called "hibernate" that goes into effect when I close the lid on battery power - I never reboot (except, I admit, for MS updates - which often don't need a reboot).
I have VMs with various past versions of Windows and a couple of Linux ones (and a DOS 6!) that I occasionally run for software testing - or just for the fun of it, usually some game or other - so I am not unfamiliar with different and new and improved, just different, interfaces. The Windows 8 interface is just SO BAD!
Eventually I *may* need to go to Windows 8 for some as yet unforeseen reason but I am hoping that by then Windows 9 will be out, "metro" will be a long forgotten nightmare, and I can try it on a VM for a few weeks...
- Life in the fast lane is only fun if you live in a country with no speed limits.
- Of all the things I have lost, it is my mind that I miss the most.
- I vaguely remember having a good memory...
I've bouncing between using macs and windows machines at work. I have no idea what the fanboys are going on about. I just couldn't say one was superior to the other. For my money the macs crash every bit as much as their windows counterparts. Hey mac, see that wifi printer... hello mac? frozen huh? Sure I'd love to force reboot you again.
After taking a look at Objective C... Wow guys, we're buying Xamarin and/or Unity3d. We are not going near objective C.
I use W8 on an Iconia Tablet and 2 desktop PC. It boot faster than W8. In the PCs I use it mostly in desktop mode although the new Metro interface is OK for me, I find it better then W7. For the tablet is perfect. All old applications that I had on W7 have been moved to W8 flawlessly (some of them written in Visual Basic 6.0) this has been a very good news for me (I didn`t expect it).
Yes I'm using Windows 7 and Windows 8 now on different machines. The new, fast machine uses Windows 8, the older one Windows 7.
After every installation, the Windows 8 Machine need minutes to reboot. Five minutes is no exception. On the Windows 7 Machine it restarts with the same software within 30 seconds.
Windows 8 is buggy. The PC-Options weren't accessable for all users I set up after the first during the installation. I had to move the PC-Options to a subfolder and back again to the mainfolder of programms. After that, the rights were setup correctly and the users were able to access.
Windows 8 killed a partition while rebooting after a system update. I needed to use a special software to get the data back.
Many programms are buggy on Windows 8 - and slow.
Indesign on my Windows 7 Netbook with 4 GB and AMD Processor Dual Core with 1,4 GHZ is starting faster, than on my brandnew Windows 8 i7 quadcore 3,3 GHZ with 8 GB. So I opened the really good new Taskmanager. What is the machine doing? Quite nothing. The processor is running small, there is enought free ram, the drive is just about 10% of performance. But it takes longer to start.
I really need the first Service Pack, because it's the same as it was with Vista. Windows 8 is not funny to use, yet.
tbh I've not really noticed Win8...I'm in the desktop 99% of the time, so I get better progress dialogs and better task manager, oh and easier to use explorer.
I use the 'metro' to launch a few apps (and play the free games)
Most of the other metro apps I don't use, but there certainly are some massive usability issues for traditional mouse users. And not seen a metro app that could even come close in features to its desktop counterpart.
Windows 8 is designed primarily for touch interface. Due to the high cost and lack of availability of monitors with touch capability it is not an attractive proposition. WIMP does not work well with Windows 8. Conclusion, it may be ok for tablets and phones but it doesn't fit the desktop or server paradigms. I will stick with Windows 7 for now and I am actively investigating alternatives such as Linux.
Plan A was to buy a clovertrail tablet/dock pair to replace my existing netbook and get my feet wet; but between limited availability and reports of clovertrail having buggy drivers I've held off so far. I'm currently debating what to do; I don't want to start with an upgrade to my main system, and spending $1k for an ultrabook or light/moderate gaming laptop with Haswell only half a year out doesn't sound like a good idea either.
Dual-booting my existing netbook's an option; but without a more extensive dismantle+rebuild session than I feel comfortable with it won't let me fiddle with the touchscreen options; and I'm not sure if the touchpad has enough multitouch to fully sample the W8 offerings there either.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
I've been using windows for some time now and I think it gets better the more I use it.
I know it very popular to bash the metro UI and the non-existing startbutton. But the metro UI works fine if you use the keyboard more and the mouse less... I agree it's a bit schizophrenic with metro/old windows UI - but I'll live.
As for the missing startbutton, best thing that ever happend!
Not necessarily - I hung on to XP until Win7 SP1, and avoided the abortion that was Vista.
For my (admittedly brief) exposure to Win8 I think it will be the same thing here - skip it and go to Win9.
Win8 seems to be great for tablets. But I don't develop on a tablet. I paid good money for a nice large monitor, and I don't want it filled with big ugly boxes rather than small tidy icons I can see...
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It is not my decision. I get to install what my employer decides is best for me when I get a new replacement computer (no complaint). I got a new desktop last year with Windows 7, and a notebook two and a half years ago with XP. So unless something breaks this year, I won't see any Windows 8.
Been coding on win 8 pro for a while now.
Using all major windows op systems on a daily basis, including servers..
Really like win 8. Faster than 7. Interface requires some config. (Metro sucks.)
Would not want to go to 7 now...
That is except for making it uglier. I mean aero and transparency were turned off and now we have ugly flat corners on all windows. There is program that can bring transparency somewhat back but I have not seen anything to fix the square corners on windows.