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Every professional program has 3 audiences:

1. the programmer
2. other programmers
3. the compiler

The "fantasy language" fails in all 3 areas:

1. Sure, right now the syntax makes perfect sense. But come back to the same code after a 6 month or even 2 year lapse? Every programmer (including me) I know looks at their own, older code with a "WTF was I doing?" expression on their face. Remove the keywords and punctuation and the problem gets a lot harder. Everyone thinks they'll remember exactly what they were doing at the time; 99%+ of us don't.

2. A professional program is highly likely to be supported (eventually) by at least one other programmer. The problems of point #1 are multiplied by 10 or even 100 because the second programmer has to figure things out. I've supported enough code to have a deep appreciation for well organized code that includes comments which explain "why" something is being done. My effort is reduced tremendously by those 2 things.

3. Use of "judicious" whitespace as syntax is a poor idea. Sure, the compiler can figure it out, but when the whitespace is wrong, the programmer cannot see the mistake. The real problem here is not compiler errors (which should point out the offending line so the programmer can [hopefully] figure it out), but when the program DOES compile and run, but produces wrong results.

The constant move towards conciseness is being taken to an extreme, and it's causing more problems than it is solving. The more concise the language, the steeper the learning curve, and the more prone to programmer errors, and those problems are harder to solve.

Programming languages are created for people, not computers. The computer runs machine code -- regardless of how the program starts, it ends up in machine code. Write your code so the someone else can figure things out in the least amount of time.
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