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We've been very, very hands off on the Soapbox but frankly this forum has lost its meaning for us. The goal was to provide a place where members could have a good old rant about stuff that affects their daily programming lives. It's become a place to bait and troll.
The anger, the pointless ribbing of other members, the general darkness here is not making me proud of what we've built. There needs to be a change or we will just walk away and close the doors on this forum.
So:
1. No personal attacks. I can't even believe I need to write that one out on CodeProject.
2. No trolling. No deliberating picking something you know will upset others just for entertainment.
3. No hate talk, racism, sexism, anything that's just outright unpleasant. We're not asking you to be angels, but we are saying you need to apply basic decency to your discussions.
4. Threads that seem designed to inflame pointlessly will get locked.
5. We're the final judge. There's no debating if we kick you off the forum or off the site. We are very lenient so you know we don't do that on a whim, so if you're off you're off. We won't be giving you the pleasure of a public fight about it.
cheers
Chris Maunder
modified 7-Feb-18 22:55pm.
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UK GDP is about 1,900 billion.
Hard Brexit is predicted to, at worst, cost perhaps 2% of GDP (Charney, head of BoE)
2% of 1,900 billion is... 38 billion.
Mays deal is immediately as bad as the worst case scenario Brexit.
Mervyn King, ex head of the BoE, said there will be some adjustment, but no real disruption. No recession, so Mays deal is worse than a hard Brexit according to him.
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Newlywed almost lost her leg when a firework hit a coconut drinks display | Daily Mail Online[^]
WTF? Is this something out of Final Destination?
"A newlywed on her honeymoon almost lost her leg after she was hit by a flaming coconut which was set alight by a stray firework.... It hit a coconut drinks display, setting one alight, before it smashed into Natalie's leg - breaking her tibia and fibula and setting her dress on fire."
It is Final Destination!
F***, life is weird at times.
It then follows: "The couple then went island-hopping " well if you only have one leg, hopping is the only option. 
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You did notice that this took place in 2012, did you not?
The Daily Fail, always Firstest with the Mostest.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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So?
It is still f***edup.
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Well,
The End is in sight! An unprecedented 5.2 million votes on the House of commons website to cancel article 50! That cannot be ignored. There will be celebrations on the streets of Ireland, North and South when Brexit is abandoned, which seems now inevitable. I have never met any person here who was in favour of Brexit in the first place. (Even Most of the DUP supporters are against Brexit). If it results in riots on the streets in England, so be it! Let them cut each others throats if that pleases them.
Northern Ireland Schotland, The Netherlands, and, the Republic of Ireland will celebrate abundantly!
As for that original referendum: An act of eternal stupidity, which should be totally ignored.
Bram van Kampen
modified 2hrs 10mins ago.
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Take it there.
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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Bram van Kampen wrote: referendum: An act of eternal stupidity
Can't agree there, why blame the referendum? Had it been properly constituted with more than a simple majority and with a compulsory vote then the result would truly reflect the desires of the people. In most countries referendums are used when there is a desire to change the constitution, an artifact that is absent in Britain. This means careful thought has been given to how a referendum should work. Moreover as is evident now many who voted did not even know what the possible outcomes were which means that the question was poorly framed: The Brexit referendum question was flawed in its design | LSE BREXIT[^]
Peter Wasser
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
modified 13hrs ago.
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Well, there is always the other option: May gets fired, her successor voids all her deals including the extension and the UK crashes out next Friday
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I hope you're right about abandoning the whole process but the sainted Theresa seems impervious to all and everything thrown at her. The people have spoken - aarghh if I hear that one more time.
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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1) UK GDP is about 1,900 billion.
Hard Brexit is predicted to, at worst, cost perhaps 2% of GDP (BoE)
2% of 1,900 billion is... 38 billion.
Mays deal is immediately as bad as the worst case scenario Brexit.
Mervyn King, es head of the BoE, said there will be some adjustment, but no real disruption.
2) The EU is not a democratic machine. The EU parliament can not make law, only the Commission can.
3) The next 7 year EU budget, due to start soon, sees UK contributions rising to 17 billion a year.
4) Food went up 15% when we joined the EEC. It will fall 15% when we leave.
5) Sterling is already 15%-20% cheaper than 2016, so even with WTO tariffs on our products they are still cheaper on the continent than they were three years ago.
Why do you not support democracy? Why do you not support saving money? What are you scared of? We will be perfectly OK outside the EU, and actually better off.
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Bram van Kampen wrote: I have never met any person here who was in favour of Brexit in the first place.
Post this in the soapbox, you will meet a couple of them that will be happy to explain you everything from the other side of the coin
@Sean-Ewington would you mind to move the thread?
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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We're not out of the woods, yet and there is still a very real danger that we could bomb out without a deal. Even if if we do come to our senses and pull back from the brink by revoking Article 50 or at least giving the people another vote, a lot of damage has already been done
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1) UK GDP is about 1,900 billion.
Hard Brexit is predicted to, at worst, cost perhaps 2% of GDP (Charney, head of BoE)
2% of 1,900 billion is... 38 billion.
Mays deal is immediately as bad as the worst case scenario Brexit.
Mervyn King, ex head of the BoE, said there will be some adjustment, but no real disruption. No recession, so Mays deal is worse than a hard Brexit according to him.
2) The EU is not a democratic machine. The EU parliament can not make law, only the Commission can.
3) The next 7 year EU budgetary period, due to start soon, sees UK contributions rising to 17 billion a year.
4) Food went up 15% when we joined the EEC. It will fall 15% when we leave.
5) Sterling is already 15%-20% cheaper than 2016, so even with WTO tariffs on our products they are still cheaper on the continent than they were three years ago. So no loss of exports to the EU.
Why do you not support democracy? Why do you not support saving money? What are you scared of? We will be perfectly OK outside the EU, and actually better off.
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Bram van Kampen wrote: An unprecedented 5.2 million votes on the House of commons website
Which means absolutely nothing, since they will be people who voted remain in the first place. When will people get that the referendum is done, and move on?
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: since they will be people who voted remain in the first place.
That's a rather huge assumption, isn't it?
I know far more people who voted leave who now wish to remain than people who voted remain and now think we should leave. After 3 years of farce, the majority is now in the remain camp and that should not be ignored.
Democracy ceases to be democracy when it tethers itself to a set point in time. You might as well say that we should have a Liberal government because lots of people voted for Mr. Asquith.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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PeejayAdams wrote: the majority is now in the remain camp
PeejayAdams wrote: That's a rather huge assumption, isn't it?
Touché.
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My "assumption" is made on the basis of opinion polls, which repeatedly show a majority for remain. Your assumption that everybody who has signed the petition voted remain is demonstrably incorrect as I know people who voted leave and have signed the petition.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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PeejayAdams wrote: opinion polls
We all know how accurate those are at showing the reality of any situation:
Trump will never win!
The UK will never vote for Brexit!
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Part of the problem with polls is that they actually skew results in the opposite direction.
In a situation where the polls seem to indicate that a result is inevitable, people who would otherwise vote don't bother.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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Opinion polls actually show that more people are now in he Leave camp.
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No they don't.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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Different polls give different answers. And as we all know, most of them are wrong.
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Well, there's an easy way to find out - let's vote again.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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