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Terrence Dorsey wrote:
But just because you don't think barriers exist doesn't mean they don't exist

Dear Terrence,
It is very kind of you establishing what I think or not but I assure you I can do that pretty much by myself and if you don't mind I'd rather do.
Terrence Dorsey wrote:
I spent much of the past year following issues around women in tech and talking to women about their experiences. Not everyone runs into horrible behavior, but the vast majority do.

I have not spent much of the year following issues around women in tech but I have been working in tech for the last 20 years in 3 countries over 2 continents and do not make any sense of this “vast majority”. I have always been working with women and still do. My actual team is composed of 7 males and 5 females and there is no misogynism or whatsoever. Do you have any figures for this 'vast majority' ?

That said I read your article and it properly spots the so-called 'issues'. I can paraphrase the following way without, I guess, changing your statements:

1. Most women are simply not interested by the coding activity. Thus they don't enter IT study.... Most woman, just like most men out of the IT sector would perceive us, developers, as laboratory rats or martians (take a 2nd look at CP logo and you'll see that yourselves at CP are promoting that image) or whatever but nothing cool, fancy or girly.

2. Women who had embrace the coding activity would not transition from junior to senior: based on my personnal experience I think that is mostly true. Most of the female developers I met have transitioned to BA or PM roles. They are still working in the IT field, with the same guys they were working when they were devs, but they wanted that change for reasons of theirs. They wanted that change and they got it. They were not looking forward to senior dev positions at all. They just found themselves more comfortable following a slightly different path (just like many men do).

3. Your article properly demonstrate that women who want to work in IT can. They don't need help. They are establishing associations of their own, have their projects set up as men do and have as much success if not more.

Now let me send you some links as well where you can see that misogynism is not the issue. The issue is the self-representation that people make from IT that prevents women to consider the career path. And that’s truer in the US than anywhere else.

http://onlinewomeninpolitics.org/sourcebook_files/Ref5/Gender,%20Information%20Technology,%20and%20Developing%20Countries-%20An%20Analytic%20Study.pdf[^]

http://test.scripts.psu.edu/users/g/m/gms/cis/old-cis/oldwebiste/05/eileentrauth/Publications/Understanding%20the%20Under%20Representation%20of%20Women%20in%20IT.pdf[^]


You want more women in development? Then try to change the image of the industry and you can probably start by an honest reflection on how attractive your website is for women. Don't get me wrong: I like CP very much! But rather for its content that for the image it gives of a developer...


Now you can enlarge the debate to religion, racism, etc… and then I fully agree with you : these are socio-cultural issues which are not specifics of the IT industry : there are stupid people everywhere, in every domain but whatever you do you won’t change them... As French people says: “Il n’y a que les cons qui ne changent pas d’avis” that you can translate by something, more politically correct, like: « only dumbs do not change their mind »

Guirec
Seulement, dans certains cas, n'est-ce pas, on n'entend guère que ce qu'on désire entendre et ce qui vous arrange le mieux... [^]

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