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No, but then again neither do burger-flippers.
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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In Canada, there are two different post-secondary education streams: university and college. A university grants a degree; a college grants a diploma. Getting my diploma, I spent a significant portion of my time learning programming languages and writing code; my friends that got CS degrees spent a signifiicant portion of there time learning theory, but didn't necessary write code.
I have been actively employed as a developer for almost 30 years.
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Of course! I for instance can't work in more than 22 Celsius...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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It's good to know your limits! (and I definitely agree with you)
TTFN - Kent
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20 years ago I only needed to complete two classes to obtain an Associates of Applied Science (AAS) in Computer Info. Systems (2 year degree). I got a job working in IT and ever since I've been building my career and learning new technology so I never finished the 2 courses.
At one point, about 5 years into my IT career I asked the company I worked for if obtaining the AAS would make any difference in my employment, title or pay. Answer: "No."
So I never did finish the two classes:
1.) Management 205
2.) COBOL II
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newton.saber wrote: COBOL II
Saved yourself a world o' irritation there. Well dodged!
TTFN - Kent
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No. Yes. Maybe. It depends.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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mark merrens wrote: No. Yes. Maybe. It depends.
I think you are right and I myself have never been proven wrong on any issue where no one else knows my opinion. 
You are 110% right though. Maybe even upwards of 112%. Seriously, totally agree with your total spot-on rightness. Because some people who get degress are [terrible] [great] [programmers] and those who do not are also. 
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Actually, I think the lyric is Maybe. Perhaps. Yes.[^]
But you do have the definitive answer to every article titled with a question (like the one I'm about to post).
TTFN - Kent
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I've been a developer for just over 10 years. I have no degree. I've had numerous recruiters after me and numerous job offers. So I'll cast my vote into the "No" column on this one. The degree may help get you that first job, but after that it's all on you, your abilities, and your work ethic.
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I think it depends on whether you and prospective employers consider software development a means or an end. I have several degrees (and about to add one more, hopefully), but none of them are in IT or CS or anything related. My degrees are in engineering. Software development is a means to an end, learned as needed.
CQ de W5ALT
Walt Fair, Jr., P. E.
Comport Computing
Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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Tech has always moved so fast that by the time some institution offers a degree in it, it's obsolete.
I took COBOL in school
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I agree with the original statement: "Just because you have a college degree doesn’t mean you have learned anything."
Some people with a degree don't even know simple bitwise arithmetic or how a hashtable works. (because their education doesn't teach them)
Some people without a degree can do amazing things. (because they figure out how themselves)
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Heck no.
1. Was a litigation attorney in Texas 30 year ago.
2. Moved to California.
3. Took two extension classes (C programming and the UNIX operating system) at a local university.
4. Took the California bar exam.
5. Took a job programming at a small cross compiler company, wrote the ANSI C runtime library, a RAM disk controller and a command driver.
6. Found out I had passed the bar exam and was qualified to practice law in California.
7. Never looked back.
All you need is some knowledge, a lot of passion, and a knack for it.
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The bachelors degree is a white collar union card*. You can have the skills to do the job without one; but in a lot of places you're not going to be able to get in the door without one. Depending on what/where you want to work this may or may not be an issue.
* Think electricians/plumbers/etc hiring hall, not UAW/UMWA/SEIU/etc.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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John Somnex wrote:
If you have a degree that you worked hard for and paid a large amount of money for, you are more inclined to believe that piece of paper has more value than it really does.
If you don’t have a degree, you are probably more inclined to believe that degrees are worthless and completely unnecessary—even though you may secretly wish you had one.
So, whatever side you fall on, I am going to ask you to momentarily suspend your beliefs—well, biases really—and consider that both views are not exactly correct, that there is a middle-ground somewhere in between the two viewpoints where a degree isn’t necessarily worthless and it isn’t necessarily valuable either.
Hard to believe people get paid to write this kind of stuff. 
/ravi
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I have a PhD in Computer Science and have been a developer for over 35 years. I found in a couple of cases I didn't get a job because I had a PhD and my potential boss didn't - I removed it from my CV along with three years as a teaching Professor and managed finally to get a real job! The PhD itself is so out of date that, from what little of it I remember, it is almost completely obsolete as far as being useful in my current job. Degrees are bits of paper that say what you were able to remember enough about to pass an exam or two - very little of which will remain in your memory or of any use in the real world.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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I don't think that all developers need degrees, but I did.
Without my degree, I would have never been able to get the job I have today. My employer has very strict hiring standards. A degree is absolutely required to even be able to apply for my position.
Quote: But, at the same time, I believe you can get by perfectly well without one—you’ll just have a few less opportunities—a few more doors that are closed to you. For a software developer, the most important thing is the ability to write code. If you can demonstrate that ability, most employers will hire you—at least it has been my experience that this is the case.
I agree with the author on this point. There are many places that will hire without a degree, but you will have many more opportunities with one regardless whether or not you view it as just a piece of paper.
Kudos the developers that were able to make it without a degree.
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With the time and expense spent locking down code, most popular programs should be bulletproof -- yet hackers find a way. "Testing shows the presence, not the absence of bugs"
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Russian leaker says Windows 8.1 Update 2 puts the final nail in the Win8 coffin, and Microsoft is working on activation methods for Windows 9. "New activation methods"? Sideways unhappy face!
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Python is now the most popular introductory language at American colleges, a recent Association for Computing Machinery study reports. "Python is more concerned with making it easy to write good programs than difficult to write bad ones."
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I think I could say that about any language, including VB. Writing bad program is never difficult; I could easily write ten a day in any language. 
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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ReadWrite wrote: Python is now the most popular introductory language at American colleges
But is that even a valid point in the argument about why Python is a "great first programming language"?
Probably not since we understand that, on average, colleges/universities do a horrible job of teaching software development.
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