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From the series: "How Things Work is Someone Else's Problem", by the windows 10 team.
Who gives a cr@p about learning how things work, when all they need is BS, to make their way to the big salaries?
I mean, let's be honest: why spend years studying then learning how to code and make programs that work really well, when all you need is a few hours' practice using an icon editor?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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could this be happening in the aircraft industry....
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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Mark_Wallace wrote: I mean, let's be honest: why spend years studying then learning how to code and make programs that work really well, when all you need is a few hours' practice using an icon editor?
That's not what the man said; but since most kids will not be coding, it seems a bit over the top to teach them all how to code.
The argument that the code will be "different" is utter nonsense ofcourse; principles will stay the same, as well architecture and environment. You can't expect us to work with the same language for 40 years - if they want to go into IT, they'll have to get used to learning for the rest of their life.
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If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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There is a possibility we could be end up maintaining code written by AIs because they learned how to write code really well but not how to change and tweak it to deal with bugs or changing requirements.
On the other hand, after a while economics would lead management to conclude that the best option is to scrap the problematic code and let the AI have another go at it and then rinse and repeat cycles would take over.
This started me thinking on another tack. If they want AI to write code then they will have to get really, REALLY good at writing concise requirement documentation. That doesn't seem likely any time soon.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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Shift the focal length; ask the questions:
1. what computer apps might be appropriate for all kids to learn to some extent, and help develop a cognitive basis for a future in which some kids will learn to code: imho, spreadsheet
2. what computer language would be most valuable for most kids to be exposed to: imho, the answer to that used to be Logo with turtle graphics ... now, I'm not sure.
3. to what extent, and in what subject areas, should most children experience using computers in a way integrated into the curriculum: imho, that's more complex, requires a discussion I don't have time to seed right now.
4. given that most kids (beyond poverty level) are going to use computing devices, and the web: how valuable is it to teach searching as a skill ?
«Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot
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If you teach them logic and critical thinking, they'll already be at a headstart 
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: If you teach them logic and critical thinking, they'll already be at a headstart
Yes, indeed: and, how do you think that is being taught, now ? What usage (if any) of computers, or training in programming, do you think enables/fosters.promotes ... or, does not contribute to ... that ?
Note that I really am asking you a question: no intention here of being sarcastic
«Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot
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BillWoodruff wrote: Yes, indeed: and, how do you think that is being taught, now ?
I don't know, but in my time, it simply wasn't.
BillWoodruff wrote: What usage (if any) of computers, or training in programming, do you think enables/fosters.promotes ... or, does not contribute to ... that ?
You don't need programming for that, and you don't need to translate every problem to something analogues in code.
BillWoodruff wrote: Note that I really am asking you a question: no intention here of being sarcastic
My English isn't good enough to recognize the difference; as long as there's no joke-icon, you deserve a decent answer 
Basic math combined with Socrates' teachings. It'd be nice to see an exchange that rivals his dialogues in terms of argumentation, instead of popular one-liners and catch-phrases being thrown at an "opponent".
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Basic math combined with Socrates' teachings.
Couldn't agree more. In a world that's convinced that all Greeks are Socrates because Socrates is a Greek, basic logic would be far more useful than bloody Javascript.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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The amount of data that the big cloud computing providers now store is staggering, so it’s no surprise that most store all of this information as compressed data in some form or another — just like you used to zip your files back in the days of floppy disks, CD-ROMs and low-bandwidth connections. Decompression available separately?
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With researchers suggesting that 'sitting is the new smoking,' sit-stand desks (SSD) have become a common tool to quell sedentary behavior in an office environment. As this furniture becomes ubiquitous, conflicting opinions have arisen on its effectiveness. I'm still waiting for my recumbent desk to be delivered
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I don't know about "sitting is the new smoking", but I'm pretty sure that "talking bollocks like that is the new w@nking".
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Their ability to get funding has encouraged me to apply for a grant: "Psychological Benefits Of Defecation Unit Installations In Business Environments"
Relevant GIF on Imgur
(If that link isn't safe enough, please delete this post. I believe my sisters would have laughed out loud, even when they were young. But politics these days...)
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I don’t know about anyone’s kid sister, but I loved it.
And worthy of a long-term research grant. 
TTFN - Kent
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We've had them for a couple of months.
Originally about 50% of people would use them in stand-mode for at least a portion of the day.
Needless to say, that figure has now reached 0%.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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More and more companies want to use continuous integration and continuous delivery, but with so many programs to use, it's really confusing knowing where to start. The new Continuous Delivery Foundation wants to help. There once was a dev named Lee, who wanted to do CI/CD...
His code wouldn't compile,
Nor did his pages have style,
But he shared it all continuously
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Do we *really* need another foundation to push an agenda?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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We need that question to be bolted to the head of anyone that tries to create a new foundation. And the answer is almost always going to be 'no'.
TTFN - Kent
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With a 3/4" bolt. No need to measure twice - just drill.
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Oooh! Limericks!
Let's see how hard I can make it on myself
(i.e. come back in a few minutes)
There once was a Canuck named Kent
Who moved to the UK, in Kent
On a trip to the North
Just past the Firth of Forth
He was shocked to find that he was kent
Bada-BOOM!
Beat that for perfect rhymes, Suckas!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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There once was a dude named Mark
Who decided on a lark
To make a rhyme
So bad it was a crime
And he batted it out of the park
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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You're a poet
don'tcha know it?
TTFN - Kent
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Low-code adoption is beginning to pick up as the demands to deliver software faster starts to weigh on businesses. Because that's just what professional developers have been asking for - less code
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SD wrote: Artificial intelligence-driven technology for creating and deploying task chatbots
So a group that is selling an Eliza-clone.
SD wrote: “Digital disruption across industries is driving businesses to seek streamlined methods of building modern apps and digital experiences. While businesses need to rapidly transform themselves digitally to remain competitive, they cannot afford to sacrifice the quality, differentiation and security of the apps and experiences they build,” said Arnal Dayaratna, research director for IDC
Lots of keywords for our buzzword-forum, but if you quantify correctly, the statement contains 0 information and all bullshit.
In order to be competitive, companies cut quality and security. Security is blamed on the programmer, where it is the company that decides the strategy and pays for all stuff being done (and deciding what is not done).
Rapid changing industries do not mean that the code has to change rapidly, and we have years in experience in making stuff dynamic, instead of static.
Aw, and the low-code platform? Already beaten by much cheaper (and already present in your IDE) code generation.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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