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Dean Roddey19-May-19 11:41
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I agree with the 'if it's not fixed, think very hard about how you try to fix it' crowd. The fact of the matter is that, at least for desktop and back end type applications, the tools to do them perfectly well have been around for a good while.

The drive to 'keep up', to me, seems more to stem from the fact that a lot of people who are software engineers are more interested in the process than the final product, and they measure their own 'prowess' not in the code they've created but in how many of the details of the language and libraries they know. And partly because the fairly broken interview process at most software companies also tend to emphasize these things when they are much less important than other things.

Particularly people who are sort of serial monogamist mercenaries, moving from one company to the next and working on someone else's dream I think are more likely to be obsessed with keeping up with the language for its own sake because they aren't that interested in the software they are creating and they feel that doing so will make it even easier for them to move to the next company.

If you are an entrepreneur, then it's completely the opposite. Your customers don't care what language features you use, they want good software with lots of features. So the pressure is very much to find a set of tools that work and stick with them. As the code base grows it gets harder and harder to make fundamental changes because it's just brutal and your code base will remain in a constant state of destabilization.

I'm luckier than most in that my very large code base is only used by me (currently anyway), but making fundamental changes is a terrific slog and guaranteed will introduce subtle bugs that won't show up until the new code is in the field.

I recently went through the entire (1.1M line) code base and converted it to use the new type safe C++ enums (enum class.) That was incredibly brutal, and only massive amounts of coffee got me through it. It also introduces a lot of bugs (by my standards anyway) that I had to chase down. It was worth it in the end, and it greatly increased compile time safety. But it was small compared to retooling a large code base for a whole different technology with a good sized team.

Further back I completely rewrote my UI framework from scratch and all of the extensive UI code in my CQC automation system that depended on it. It literally took me a year. I worked on some smaller things on the side during that time, but mostly it was a year devoted to that massive upgrade of the code base. Sort of equivalent to what it would be like if a large, GUI-rich program switched to a new UI framework that was very different from the old one and had to significantly change the entire presentation and interaction scheme across the board. Though in my case I was writing the UI framework as well.

Again, worth it long term, but that's a year of no new features, and it would have probably been ten times more brutal in a large team environment. And in a far more likely business scenario where a year without new features just couldn't happen, you'd have had parallel development on a pretty significant scale and all the craziness and bugs that would involve later to bring it back together.
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