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Jeremy Falcon wrote: People just argue to sound smart but while losing the actual point of the message. I didn't argue to divert the attention or to be smart. I just asked a question out of curiosity because for me they are not the same. One can be intelligent without being eloquent, viceversa, both or none... they are neither exclusive nor binding to each other. (Not sure if "binding" is the right word here, I hope you understand me)
Jeremy Falcon wrote: People should adapt, but not at the expense of becoming dumber or not true to themselves. Agree
Jeremy Falcon wrote: people who are just not worthy of other people's time. I don't know if it is Einstein's for sure but: Do not argue with idiots, they will drag you to their level and win you due to (by?) experience
Jeremy Falcon wrote: So, there's adaptation and then there's wasting time in life with mindless repetition Repetition might be a good tool too, not just mindless. Toddlers learn / calibrate motorics thanks to repetitions. OK, granted small modifications are mostly there. One could argue is a try and error, but still is repeated a lot.
Jeremy Falcon wrote: Side note, I'm sure you know, but you and I have had some decent chats. That's why I participate instead of ignoring
Jeremy Falcon wrote: So, I know there are peeps here that can hold a normal conversation with some substance. They just be rare. Thanks
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Quote: The few people I know that were mensa, were not pleasant, mostly large ego and obnoxious
I’ll have to admit that’s the first thing that came to my mind when I read this thread. I knew one guy who reminded everyone all the time he was a part of Mensa and anyone else’s opinions were wrong if they disagreed.
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I found them pre-occupied with party hats, games and hitting on the good-looking ones. Not like when there's a lot of drinking going on.
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Probably smart enough to stay off the Internet.
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Not in Ceprano, anyway.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Just want to know where the intelligent people are
They are in cabinet or parliament, whatever you call it from your side.
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Based on the current lot, I suspect not. There's one thing to be incompetent; another thing entirely to be so blatantly obviously incompetent and easily exposed. I know a couple of MPs and they're dedicated, hard-working, talented and very intelligent. Whilst they hold various portfolios I suspect they're too intelligent to rise any higher.
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DerekT-P wrote: Whilst they hold various portfolios I suspect they're too intelligent to rise any higher. Probably because the ones that rise are mostly not the intelligent, but the charismatic who move masses.
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devenv.exe wrote: They are in cabinet or parliament, whatever you call it from your side. Not from what I've seen.
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Some quote I saw in the 70s or 80s : "They who are smart enough to run the country are smart enough to stay out of politics."
And there's also Douglas Adams' view of politics as well -- "People are a problem".
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Hmm. I've never sought out intelligent people, other than those who were intelligent at getting along with others. I've encountered plenty of smart people whose intelligence was wasted because they were first-order asshats. I've also found folks in less-exalted societal positions who possessed profound wisdom. A good example is my car guy John, who barely finished high school and is largely self-taught. He has maintained my vehicles for 30+ years now. Part of any car repair is John showing the part(s) affected and explaining in detail what he had to do to fix the problem. I like John a lot, and his explanations have changed my driving habits on occasion.
As I've gotten older I've realized "smarts" aren't as important as the ability to get along, understand another's viewpoint, and to recognize that answers for me may not work for someone else.
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Gary Wheeler wrote: I've never sought out intelligent people, other than those who were intelligent at getting along with others. I've encountered plenty of smart people whose intelligence was wasted because they were first-order asshats. I think you hit the nail on the head man. And I see that getting along with folks takes a certain amount of both and also some introspection. You can be "dumb smart" as in you know a lot about a subject, but that's just being a parrot and repeating crap you memorize. Doesn't mean that person is a genius, etc. At best they'd be better than average about one particular subject only.
Gary Wheeler wrote: As I've gotten older I've realized "smarts" aren't as important as the ability to get along, understand another's viewpoint, and to recognize that answers for me may not work for someone else. Agree buddy... well in theory. Don't think I'm mature enough to just ignore the fluff yet. Thar be a lot of it. And ultimately that's what's driving this sense of isolation I get. Like, I dunno about you, but even on CP I know I have very little in common with most people here. Once you've experience some things, you just know who lacks it ya know. And it's a lot of peeps. So, really hard to talk about something that you know for the rando on the only end is completely clueless about, but they swear they're not.
I'm learning to avoid it man... just reeeeeeaaaalllly slowly.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: I think you hit the nail on the head man Obligatory Lazarus Long quote: It's amazing how much “mature wisdom” resembles being too tired. Jeremy Falcon wrote: Don't think I'm mature enough to just ignore the fluff yet. Thar be a lot of it. Yeah, I know. Some days it's just fun to feed the trolls and watch the carnage. See "watching the world burn" for reference.
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Gary Wheeler wrote: Obligatory Lazarus Long quote: It's amazing how much “mature wisdom” resembles being too tired Ha ha ha ha ha. Preach, brother.
Gary Wheeler wrote: See "watching the world burn" for reference. I wish it were fun. It used to be I guess. Real talk, I'm just tired and jaded now.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: but even on CP I know I have very little in common with most people here That doesn't imply that there are not intelligent people here or that you are more intelligent as us
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Nelek wrote: That doesn't imply that there are not intelligent people here or that you are more intelligent as us If you read the original post again that's why I said I can accept I may be the stupid one.
That being said, I do think experience is the real teacher in life. Those who are experienced in a field know when someone who is not is speaking. There's a lot of argumentative, inexperienced people here. And for that reason, I do feel as if I don't have much in common.
For instance, I've lived in Vegas... lived. Had some dude on CP argue about how nice Vegas is who's never been there. How foolish can people be? It's a waste of time and life energy.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: If you read the original post again that's why I said I can accept I may be the stupid one. I did... but I still said for the sick of being a smartass
Jeremy Falcon wrote: I do think experience is the real teacher in life. For me life is the teacher and experience is the result, but yes... I can go with that.
Jeremy Falcon wrote: For instance, I've lived in Vegas... lived. Had some dude on CP argue about how nice Vegas is who's never been there. I have never been there, but alone for what I have seen in films and reportages, I don't think I'll ever visit it if I go to the US.
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Nelek wrote: I have never been there, but alone for what I have seen in films and reportages, I don't think I'll ever visit it if I go to the US. If you do, you'll be ok as long as you stay in the touristy spots. Vegas is like a ghetto (in mentality) but with money, so once you leave the touristy spots things change... even nice grocery stores will have used condoms in the parking lot, etc.
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Define intelligent.
I've known PHDs that didn't know which end of a screw driver was the usable end.
I've know expert carpenters that couldn't tell you who Einstein was.
Intelligence depends on the subject matter, most people could carry on an intelligent conversation in some area.
I don't think before I open my mouth, I like to be as surprised a everyone else.
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Mike Hankey wrote: I've known PHDs that didn't know which end of a screw driver was the usable end.
I've know expert carpenters that couldn't tell you who Einstein was. I think what you're describing there is more education than intelligence.
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Or knowledge?
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Mike Hankey wrote: PHDs
Have heard of a Mathematics PhD, whose doctoral thesis was on mathematical simulation of a type of vortex flow in fluid mechanics, but who could not recognize such a flow happening in front of him, on a rainy day.
Aside, I am also a PhD holder, hopefully not like him
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Mike Hankey wrote: didn't know which end of a screw driver was the usable end.
Both ends are usable for different tasks. Failing to recognize that a tool may be used for more than one task shows a lack of intelligence.
I frequently use the butt end of a screwdriver to push small nails into the wall to hang pictures. In fact, when I use a hammer to put a small nail in the wall, I use the handle, not the head. The butt end of a screwdriver is also useful for inserting model railroad spikes.
I was thinking about this again just yesterday in regards to an argument I was having which is essentially "can be used like" does not equal "is like". To wit, stating that a screwdriver can be used like a hammer is not the same as stating that a screwdriver is like a hammer or that they are equivalent.
It kind of came down to a point where I would characterize the other party's assertion as "two sets are equivalent if the intersection of the sets is not the null set" -- which is patently untrue. In other words, both a hammer and a screwdriver can be used to put small screws in a wall to hang pictures, but that doesn't make them equivalent, each can be used for other tasks.
A hammer can be used as a screwdriver only in the crudest sense, not very effectively.
If one could carry only a screwdriver or a hammer, the screwdriver is likely to be the better choice due to its flexibility.
modified 8-Nov-23 14:20pm.
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Sadly, there's a reason screwdrivers come with a warning saying not to use them as a hammer or a chisel.
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Oh, yeah, I forgot about that time I used a screwdriver when I was too lazy to go get a chisel.
I don't recall seeing any such warning.
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