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My son (He is 12) told me yesterday evening he could not print anymore from his laptop on our Wifi printer.
After spending 15min to check why the printer decided to keep putting itself in "suspended" mode, I saw that the MSOffice 2016 version that I installed somehow had "upgraded" to what seems to be a pre-step to 365 - For the lucky ones who do not know Office 365, it is a POS whose main goal is to try making Lotus Notes not be the worst software in the world anymore.
Anyway, this update converted the default saving directory to, guess what... a cloud directory. Which means that Office was at the same time trying to access the document on the cloud and trying to send it to the printer on the same network, which confused the printer. Saving the document locally solved the problem.  
And now I have to check how to remove this "almost" 365 version and how to ditch all this cloud thing. I DO NOT WANT MY DOCUMENTS TO BE IN THE CLOUD. Stop trying forcing that on me over and over again with trick updates, Microsoft, and by reactivating your sh*tty OneDrive.
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Rage wrote: I DO NOT WANT MY DOCUMENTS TO BE IN THE CLOUD
:echo: 
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From what I understand, Office 365 and 2016 ARE the same, but with different settings.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Never stop dreaming - Freddie Kruger
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Office 365 is web based. 2016 is a desktop program.
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Office 365 is a licensing pattern, while good old 2016 is pay-once-use-forever...
It is true that the actual software installed on your PC is exactly the same, but it behaves differently with different licenses...
Office 365 has a browser based version (which is free), that less feature rich and uses exclusively the cloud as storage...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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OK, this means that I only know the browser based version of 365 - it is the one used at my workplace, when editing sharepoint documents. Indeed cloud based. But the behaviour is similar to what I have now on my son's laptop. 
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Interesting... We, too have Office 365 at work, but never thought to use browser based version... It is hard enough to use the desktop based...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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I have been moved to office 365 at work. Still using Office 2016 locally installed, but only as front-end software. All back-end stuff is managed by office 365, and that... in corporate environment.
Not sure how long it will take for this to explode us in the nose, but since IT was moved to sales... 
At home still happily using Office 2010. I know one or two things that annoy me a bit are solved in office 2016, but I don't find it worth enough to upgrade.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
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modified 8-Sep-20 4:08am.
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Maybe MS is taking inspiration from Google.
When Google does everything on the cloud - Google Docs, Drive, etc., why should we restrict ourselves to the good old PC? It is another matter that most old-timers are more comfortable with the PC rather than with something up in the clouds.
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Amarnath S wrote: most old-timers are more comfortable with the PC
 You mispelled "concerned with security and privacy issues"
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Amarnath S wrote: most old-timers are more comfortable with the PC rather than with something up in the clouds.
Not true, I've had my head in the clouds for 75 years. 
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How much x above sea level is your house? 
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It would be awesome to live at place above clouds or in clouds. Thought you do. 
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When I was at the peak of Mount Equinox once, I was literally walking in a cloud.
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But I never wave bye bye
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Libre Office
is your friend. Look no further.
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
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While I understand your point : No. LibreOffice comes nowhere near to Office (well, until 2016) IMO. But this is a matter of taste, I suppose.
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Based on my use, even LibreOffice has way to many unused features...
As a developer I almost need no office at all except mails...
Most of the document I'm writing are in some kind of Wiki and using markdown...
The 2 and a quarter Excel document are extra-simple...
No Power Point or Access or Skype...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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OK, so have not tried Libre after 2016? Well... I cannot speak about mail, word-processing is all the way up there.
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
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It's really what you're used to. The box I'm on now - a refurb with Win7, came with Libre installed. For what I do, it took a bit of familiarization but now all is well. This, mostly with the spreadsheet. I'd say the only thing it's given me trouble with is if I want to use the border routines. I've not found a 'draw' - but instead, an assortment of box templates (like those in excel).
Now, on the other side of the equation is not only the great price for the full "office suite" but that it lets you save documents in a format you like. I save to xlsx because another box has actual MS Office.
Last bit: I have copies of office from an MSDN subscription - I prefer keeping Libre.
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YMMV.
The only time I've ever seen Libre Office "out in the wild" and actually used by someone was at one on my neighbors, a few years ago. He won't say it out loud, but I'd say he's intentionally avoiding anything Microsoft. However he's not sophisticated enough to ditch Windows and use Linux. Not sure how he feels about Apple, but that's beyond this discussion.
He had a two-column table in a Libre Office document and was trying to sort it by the first column. Whatever sorting functions or options we could try would either not do anything at all, sort the first column only (the data from the second column would not follow), or crash the entire program. Most of our attempts resulted in the latter. Repeatedly. Reproducibly.
I ended up copying his table to the clipboard, pasting it into the browser-based version of Word, sorting it, copying it back to the clipboard, and pasting it back into his Libre Office document.
In their defense, a few weeks later I noticed that Libre Office had an update, which we downloaded and retried the sort operation with (my neighbor still had a copy of his original document), and the crash was fixed. I then pointed out that it could have been a coincidence, but more likely, they found out about the crash and implemented a fix for it through what amounts to telemetry...which, based on discussions we've had, is one of the reasons he wants to move away from Big Bad Microsoft...
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Rage wrote: Office 365, it is a POS
Weird. It works great for me.
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Your son installed the crippled version of Office 365 that doesn't work worth a damn. The full Office 365 is really nice and allows you to store files locally, but is a subscription only product.
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I got an Office 365 license and works exactly the same as the most up to date Office 2019.
It's the same with some extra bells and whistles and a pay per use licensing type.
You can use the web based interface, but you are not forced to.
That web based could be useful in a computer that is not yours when you need to edit a word document... that of course, you previously saved into the cloud. I never do this.
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