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Please entertain us, but do it from perspective of a site owner.
Bonus question, please define boundary between ads and adware. I mean we should know when we're committing act of stealing and when we're just rightfully blocking something. Is this boundary universal for each and every user?
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You're trying really hard to avoid defending your position.
You're trying really hard to avoid defending your position.
Quite humourous, actually. Much like the entire Democratic party in the US. Hit them with facts, they respond with personal character attacks that have nothing to do with the issue. You can't win this one, Mladen - don't waste your time feeding trolls, unless you really enjoy it. But if you do, feed them with gusto, and have fun with it.
"When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before." Mae West
«... thank the gods that they have made you superior to those events which they have not placed within your own control, rendered you accountable for that only which is within you own control For what, then, have they made you responsible? For that which is alone in your own power—a right use of things as they appear.» Discourses of Epictetus Book I:12
And not blocking ads is stealing my concentration and time. Should I sue?
If you don't use an ad blocker, at least with ads, they are visible. How many websites tell you "this website contains an embedded miner, would you like to proceed with having someone else make some profit while you're visiting our website?"
Even worse, according to fhwa.dot.gov:
it requires the Federal Highway Administration to ensure that the State transportation departments maintain "effective control of the erection and maintenance" of signs, displays, or devices...
So yet again, I'm actually paying for ads through my tax dollars.
As an aside, given the text in the quotes (no, I really didn't make that up, it's actually on their website) one could have a field day with that.
The thing I don't understand is when people say it's stealing, or even here on CP, that ads help pay for the site. My understanding is that ad blockers remove the ad after it's been downloaded from the server, so exactly how is costing the website money? The ad is downloaded, what happens on the client side, whether I use an ad blocker or masking tape, shouldn't affect the website's revenue, right? If revenue is generated only when clicking on an ad, well, sorry folks, but being of at least some intelligence, I never click on an ad. So, where's the "theft"?
The problem with ads is they are often served with much nastier stuff, even if you don't click them, like trackers, unsecure code or even old-fashioned malware. I haven't seen a single site notifying me that it's going to track me what I do (even when I visit other sites) or make my system insecure. So in the end, they are not much different than malware.
In the end, every user has the right to determine what is running on the machine, any other way is just ridiculously unsustainable. #MyBrowserMyChoice
Marc Clifton wrote:
My understanding is that ad blockers remove the ad after it's been downloaded from the server
There are two kinds of filters: network and cosmetic. Ads are blocked on network level (ad blocker prevents requests to known ad networks) whenever is possible. Some ads cannot be blocked in this way because they are not that different from normal traffic on network level. So these kind of ads are blocked on DOM level where ad blocker removed part of HTML known to contain ads.
My understanding is that ad blockers remove the ad after it's been downloaded
Some may work that way but others claim that sites are much faster using an adblocker which would tell me it prevents it from being processed by the browser altogether. Don't know really.
Even an ad blocker that downloaded (but did not render) the ad would speed up the display of the page. However, if it "knows" that a certain site is to be blocked, why bother downloading it in the first place?
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
Since blocking ads is stealing according to some, why blocking miners is any different, or even blocking malware?
Sorry, but this is a ridiculous question.
IMHO it's all about intent...If the goal is to steal, extort, or install something without notification (with the exception of MS ), then the authors of such content should go die in a fire. :fire: (isn't there a symbol for fire?)
That said, I don't use adblocker or special hosts file, but I understand why others do. As others have asked, how is it stealing when the adblocking is done on the client?...the server doesn't know or care if the ad was blocked or viewed?...the website has done it's job and sent the ad.
If you/they mean that the 'theft' is that the audience/user was denied the clever marketing blurb/video that some big name company paid money to produce and disseminate, then all I can do is laugh, since that is also a ridiculous argument as I just ignore them anyway! (except of course those famous Carls Jr./Hardee's ads...I mean who doesn't like a good burger!)
What do I get if my processor is hijacked to perform cryptocurrency algorithms? Do they mail me a check? What I get is a warmer processor/office and higher electric bill. If this is done without my knowledge and approval, it amounts to stealing.
Mladen Janković wrote:
ad blockers filter HTTP requests from browser that are sent to server to serve ads.
I learn something new everyday! Thanks!
So, being totally honest here, I can speak about this website (CP) that I spend probably too much time at. I have been a member here for about 10 years and have clicked on only one ad that I found relevant at the time. If click-throughs are a website's major revenue source, then I have been a bad member. Over time, I've become blind to them!
That said, if CP and the hamsters ever started a 'save us' campaign, I would happily contribute.
( oh crap, what have I started!)
What do I get if my processor is hijacked to perform cryptocurrency algorithms?
What do I get from ads? I get higher internet bill on my metered connections*, less privacy and less security (and more CPU time wasted, knowing how the code for these ads is written). So you're not arguing the principle here.
Proponents of #BlockingIsStealing would argue that you get the content. They are vocal when it comes to ads, but strangely silent on subject of CC miners, even though those are not different in principle.
In my opinion, we should default to block all ads, miners, etc.. and only opt-in if it's meaningful to us. If sites go offline/broke.. so be it.
In my experience, sites that don't thrive on ad revenue, for whatever reason, put out much higher quality content and are curated to a much higher degree. Quality is used attract people and generate profit.
Sites that run on ad revenue are in the business of wasting my time for money.
Money is far less valuable to me than time, so I hate those sites with a zealous passion.
OK, it's them. Over 2.5 hours without email and no service or support to speak of. Tried to phone but they aren't taking calls and the online 'live' chat client appears to be permanently down for "Maintenance". Tried support tickets but they just respond that all is well. IT ISN'T!!!
Not sure what else I can do other than move to another provider. Ugh - more hours of research and prep. Damn them, damn them all to hell!
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