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We all know that the moment you use "Hitler", "Nazis" or "Fascism" in an argument, you lose.
This is Godwin's Law.
Is there a term that can be applied to Law Making that says that any time a politician uses "Child Abuse", "Paedophiles" or "Protecting Our Children" as an excuse to draft a law relating to invasion of privacy, then that law is automatically suspect?
From El Reg[^]
"Home Secretary Theresa May said the proposed surveillance law would "save lives" and help cops catch more paedophiles and terrorists."
No, that is the excuses they are using to implement a law that allows the government to read our private emails, record what websites we visit and intrude upon our private lives.
Now, I am not saying this government would use it for evil purposes, nor the next, but there is no guarantee that some future leadership would not misuse it.
[Caution Godwin's Law Abuse]
Imagine if, in 1900, Germany had the ability to register everybody's DNA, initially for 'Crime Detection', how much easier would it have been for the Nazis to single out the Jews?
The law may have been drafted for one reason, but the information would then have been used for such a terrible thing.
We should resist any government from monitoring us, and we should not give up our freedoms, and should always reject snooping laws that are created using the bromide of "Child Protection".
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
CCC Link[ ^]
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First, the politicians don't give a rat's ass about your kid. We'd be better off if people would get their heads around that fact. If your kid was on a street corner with a tin cup and no shoes the politician and his/her limo wouldn't even notice as they slid by - so do us all a favor and don't buy that horse sh*t. The impassioned pleas from the podium are acting, and not even good acting at that.
Second, the absolute best protection for a kid is an involved parent. Treat everyone who gets near your kid as a criminal - your number one job is to protect your kid and do so without apology. When my girls were young I didn't allow them to stay at other people's houses - I don't care if I knew the couple of work/church or whatever. If a sleep over were to occur, it happened in my home. End of story. People didn't like it - tough - it's my job to protect my kid.
This is simple stuff.
Politicians make it complicated because the only way they can sell stuff is by making things too confusing to find the errors.
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I accept all you say, but my point was about them using the cliché of Child Protection in order to pass invasive laws.
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
CCC Link[ ^]
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Here is how it works:
1: Decide that you want to get something done. For example, let's say I want to get Dalek Dave banned from the CP forums because he has more reputation points than myself and I find it annoying. Of course, I cannot sell the idea that he should be banned for such a flimsy reason so I have to come up with some other reason.
2: As it turns out, I knew a guy in High School who was a racist. This guy's name was 'Dave'. No this guy has absolutely no relationship to Dalek Dave but that isn't required. I contact a few friends and start a rumor campaign that 'Dave' is actually a racist forum handle. Soon people are wondering how Dalek Dave could be so insensitive.
3: Eventually someone asks Dalek Dave on the forum about his racist forum handle - at this point, the ball is in Dave's court but the end is already assured by virtue of the fact that someone asked the question. Dave is going to make a big mistake - he'll try to use logic to answer the objections which will end up making him look like a heartless prick.
4: At this point I'll chime in with "Doesn't anyone on this forum care about people of race [fill in the blank]?" About 1,000 people who've run their whole lives off emotion will fall over themselves to voice support for the permanent removal of Dave from the forums. There will be candlelight vigils, crying women of Oprah, a congressional investigation, etc.
5: If voting is turned on I'll post a self-righteous bit of nonsense about how pleased I am that the people at CP take racism seriously. It would get between 10K-15K of points as the crowd of brainwashed bots re-affirm the execution of Dave by shouting AMEN to every proclaimation of their resident watch dog.
6: Dave enlists the help of John Simmons and they hunt down MehGerbil in real life and use his corpse for target practice out in a field somewhere.
7: A granite statue to erected to MehGerbil. The inscription reads: "In Memory of the brave sacrifice of this dear fellow in his fight against the evil of DAVE".
8: Later, politicians quote me in additional witch hunts, ascribing to me things I never said.
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What step are we at in this plan...? 
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Dave is a racist? 
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Yes, I am.
Formula One is way better than NASCAR!
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
CCC Link[ ^]
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I recently told that joke in the form of a "185 of the day" at a bar (that is, I was at a bar when I told the joke). Guess I'm not as original as I thought. 
My version is...
185 NASCAR drivers walk into a bar.
Bartender says, "sorry, can't serve you."
The drivers reply, "what, are you racist?"
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'DALEK' is a code word for 'White Supremacy' or 'C# > VB' - it's entirely context dependent.
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I hope you put as much effort into the rest of your life as you put into this post. Still trying to clean out my sinus from the rapid ejection of adult beverage...
Charlie Gilley
<italic>You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house.
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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MehGerbil wrote: When my girls were young I didn't allow them to stay at other people's houses - I don't care if I knew the couple of work/church or whatever. If a sleep over were to occur, it happened in my home. End of story. People didn't like it - tough - it's my job to protect my kid.
How did people know you weren't a criminal...? 
Also, did your girls go to school? That's a lot of time amongst potential criminals...
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Colin Mullikin wrote: How did people know you weren't a criminal...?
Just because I drive around in a beat up van giving out candy to kids doesn't mean I'm a bad person.
Colin Mullikin wrote: Also, did your girls go to school? That's a lot of time amongst potential criminals...
Some risks are unavoidable.
Heck, having me as a parent was a pretty big one, IMHO.
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MehGerbil wrote: First, the politicians don't give a rat's ass about your kid. We'd be better
off if people would get their heads around that fact. If your kid was on a
street corner with a tin cup and no shoes the politician and his/her limo
wouldn't even notice as they slid by - so do us all a favor and don't buy that
horse sh*t. The impassioned pleas from the podium are acting, and not even good
acting at that.
However to be fair what they do care about is in what way the general public mood seems to be fluttering willy-nilly at the moment. Hardly their fault that the general public gives into fear mongering.
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Politicians have to play the "damn if you do and damn if you don't" game.
Whatever they choose they will loose.
Nihil obstat
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If it's on record with the government, it's subject to abuse, and more often than not, that abuse is covert, and usually involves violating someone's rights.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Dalek Dave wrote: Now, I am not saying this government would use it for evil purposes, nor the next, but there is no guarantee that some future leadership would not misuse it.
I'll say it.. the only reason government, whether yours or mine over here, want this sort of thing is to control the masses. Control what they see, read or talk about, and you have complete control over them, say, throwing a revolution when they have had enough Gov BS?
Take certain countries with a lot of sand int he news the last few months. Civil unrest, and the gov is trying to control and/or shut down the net to prevent overthrow. A few other countries have insane(to many of us at least) amounts of gov control over what the people can see. They do NOT want the uneducated masses to get wind of the truth in the rest of the world.
As far as the rest of your post, I agree, using something like that as an excuse for stupid laws like that is pathetic and in my opinion, takes away from the real problem of those things while doing absolutely nothing to help prevent them.
Beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder
Be careful which toes you step on today, they might be connected to the foot that kicks your butt tomorrow.
You can't scare me, I have children.
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If "in God's name" has been responsible for more atrocities than anything else in human history, "for the children" is in second place and closing fast in the modern era.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Wont somebody think of the children.
Those sexy, sexy children.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
Shed Petition[ ^]
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You must hate children, everyone burn the pedo DD!
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No law, in the history of the universe, has ever saved a life.
One of these days I'm going to think of a really clever signature.
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What, not even the law of gravity?
I think you may be mistaken!
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Gravity is not a law, it's a force. And in the context of Dave's original post we are talking about laws made by politicians.
One of these days I'm going to think of a really clever signature.
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Dalek Dave wrote: Is there a term that can be applied to Law Making that says that any time a
politician uses "Child Abuse", "Paedophiles" or "Protecting Our Children" as an
excuse to draft a law relating to invasion of privacy, then that law is
automatically suspect?
To "Helen Lovejoy[^]"?
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Read my sig - George was a VERY bright man.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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This must be another of those occasions where we find ourselves in complete agreement.
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