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and I disagree as well. I think I was trying to be a bit dramatic to emphasize a point.
Gary Wheeler wrote:
I have been on the receiving end of age-based prejudice in this field more than once.
So have I.
Gary Wheeler wrote:
I no longer tolerate it.
There really is nothing you can do about it, really. You can't force someone to hire you, or promote you because you are 56 years old, and you no longer tolerate it....which is part of the point of my initial post.
I am 63 years old, have been a developer since the 70's, and probably will be writing code when I'm in my 70's (who can afford to retire?). Like you, I will not tolerate age-based prejudice, or any discernible prejudice for that matter. You can take my keyboard (or whatever device I'm working with) when you pry it from my cold, dead, fingers.
Most, but not all, of the 35 and under developers I know are great at memorizing and churning out code. But often with little thought to how manageable the code is, how brittle it is, or how OO it is.
There is so much more to software development than coding, though coding well is definitely a must at any age.
What I notice lacking the most is the ability to see, design, and code efficient, reusable, maintainable solutions to the business goals in a given software project. Just code something quick and dirty, throw it out there, hope it passes QA, and then hope you have moved on before the hack you did becomes a maintenance or extension problem. That seems to be a common problem with the 35 and under developers. But fortunately, not all.
I know a lot of people working on mobile development (mostly games) and at least half of them are over 35. It's not all about "crunch", although that was one of the reasons I got out of games dev* (in my 50's).
And it's most definitely not the case that younger means smarter, especially when it comes to doing clever optimisations to squeeze out the last bit of performance or to reduce memory usage.
[ * when I say out, I mean professionally - I still do indy development at home, including mobile stuff... ]
Days spent at sea are not deducted from one's alloted span - Phoenician proverb
The first system I worked on (LEO III/6: Leo Computers Society. Leo 3 photos[^] ) had magnetic tape but no random access storage. Main memory of 16K and a processor that played sounds so you could hear when certain regular programs were nearing the end of processing.
Ahhh what we're talking about here is "real computers". Not terribly dissimilar to the ICL System 4's I cut my teeth on in the late 70's. Curiously enough, one of the links on that page was to an Aussie ICL/Leo reunion and behold! there were four guys that I worked with when I was an (ICL) engineer in Melbourne from '88 to 93....
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I can't make a claim that far back but I can say my first professional software was in COBOL on punched cards. My debugger was about 6-8 inches above my shoulders. Today I work embedded C and love every minute, even the crunches.
I cringe at these new wonder tools that crop up about once a week that do everything that once required discipline. I imagine these are for kids who need to keep one eye on their phone. Where will you be when something goes wrong or when that tool isn't there? "Never happen", the young one will say with complete confidence and unearned arrogance.
Ha! Yes, the pic clause, casting out all ambiguity. Did we even do type casting? If we did, I don't even remember. And the other three divisions (and of course the sections within), sure. I haven't seen that language in decades and often wonder what it morphed into. I remember considering myself "advanced" when I embraced the 'perform ... depending on ...'. Seemed so elegant.
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