|
|
Hey you're Dutch, so loudmouthed by default 
|
|
|
|
|
Quote: That there's these moments where I switch from me to "idiot"
And how do they distinguish?
|
|
|
|
|
|
Haven't been on the site for some days so I might have missed out on the specifics.
Anyway, I don't think you would become an idiot in the strict sense without anything less than a frontal lobotomy.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: Tell me honestly; is my perception that way off from reality?
Eddy Vluggen wrote: If (I think) I am right, I have arguments to back that up; can't argue with you if I don't have arguments. Doesn't mean I'm realistic, just that there's arguments.
And right there is the problem, I'm not sure reality is that important to you, it's the principle dammit. I believe you're principled to the level of being inflexible.
Sometimes you need to stop and ask yourself if it's a battle worth fighting.
Also, what Greg Utas said.
|
|
|
|
|
Jörgen Andersson wrote: Anyway, I don't think you would become an idiot in the strict sense without anything less than a frontal lobotomy.
"Idiot" is a description and how it is perceived - not a professional judgement 
Jörgen Andersson wrote: And right there is the problem, I'm not sure reality is that important to you, it's the principle dammit.
Imagine a compiler giving build-errors "on principle". Wouldn't be very workable.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
|
|
|
|
|
Eddy Vluggen wrote: "Idiot" is a description and how it is perceived - not a professional judgement
Nowadays it certainly isn't a professional judgement, but it used to be.
If I recall correctly, Henry Goddard had a scale where an IQ of 0-25 referred to an idiot, 26-50 an imbecile and 51-70 a moron.
Then again, the greek ἰδιώτης simply means private citizen as opposed to official. So the meaning certainly changes with time.
|
|
|
|
|
Oh boy, here we go! *rubs hands as if scheming something evil* 
But seriously, I noticed you can get pretty worked up over some topics.
I can't remember what it was, but I recently found myself thinking I'm not going to reply to one of your posts (which was a reply on mine) because it felt like I was talking to one of the Soapbox trolls.
Maybe you've just been a bit stressed out lately over COVID-19 and all the bad news in the world?
Or maybe you were just particularly tired that day.
Or maybe the intricate subtleties of jokes and sarcasm went lost in translation.
Anyway, that happened once or maybe twice, and it's bound to happen when discussing certain topics.
I remember it particularly because I've found you to be a pretty relaxed dude overall, but not that time.
I think I always keep my cool, but I won't know for certain until someone tells me otherwise 
|
|
|
|
|
Sander Rossel wrote: and it's bound to happen when discussing certain topics.
Like, "triggered"?
Sander Rossel wrote: I think I always keep my cool, but I won't know for certain until someone tells me otherwise
Or until someone has it on video.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
|
|
|
|
|
Eddy Vluggen wrote: Like, "triggered"?
Yeah, I guess.
Discussing COVID-19, environment, politics, and the like can trigger emotions, especially when you're hit by them.
I guess it's not unlike two developers discussing Java vs. C# or Apple vs. Microsoft or spaces vs. tabs (C#, Microsoft, spaces, everything else is wrong)
Eddy Vluggen wrote: Or until someone has it on video.
That video has clearly been edited.
And are you sure it's my face that you're seeing?
The lighting is pretty bad, could be someone else
|
|
|
|
|
Eddy Vluggen wrote: there's these moments where I switch from me to "idiot".
You're way ahead of the pack. Most are in idiot mode as the default and only rarely and momentarily switch to "me" mode. As a working example, just listen to [oops, this will be soapbox material if I finish this sentence] 
|
|
|
|
|
You're more aware than anyone else of what it is you may have posted and what frame of mind you might have been in when said posts were made.
I can't say I read every message in every thread, so I don't recall anything that would make me associate your name with anything particularly idiotic. But the fact that you've been made aware of..."this"...is probably all you need to remain conscious about what you're gonna post and think twice about hitting the Send button...if you had to ask, it's probably because you want to do something about it. That's more than can be said about a lot of people.
|
|
|
|
|
dandy72 wrote: You're more aware than anyone else of what it is you may have posted and what frame of mind you might have been in when said posts were made.
Usually, yes; but not always. Sometimes it's just fragments, or nothing at all. That's why I had to ask.
dandy72 wrote: is probably all you need to remain conscious about what you're gonna post and think twice about hitting the Send button...
Therein lies the rub; I'm not that quite conscious, nor do I notice a shift. It's also not limited to posting in the forum, it is something that happens offline also. No idea how often, guessing once a month.
dandy72 wrote: it's probably because you want to do something about it.
Need to; scares some people and may lead to trouble.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
|
|
|
|
|
Eddy Vluggen wrote: Therein lies the rub; I'm not that quite conscious, nor do I notice a shift. It's also not limited to posting in the forum, it is something that happens offline also. No idea how often, guessing once a month.
Well, as I wrote, now that you're aware of it, you'll probably be more careful about what you say/post, even if entirely subconsciously. Some people have no awareness whatsoever.
|
|
|
|
|
Eddy Vluggen wrote: That there's these moments where I switch from me to "idiot". And that it happens in seconds. Given my recent behaviour I can't dismiss that, but been told I always was like that. (With "always" being >15 years, more than CP membership).
Is that true?
I wouldn't say "idiot", but I did have to tell you a couple of times that you were crossing the limits in your posts.
One can defend an opinion or a position in a hard way without insulting or being disrespectful.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: I'm a bloody loudmouth on this site; it may reflect on CodeProject. If I reflect badly on the site, then I should react a lot less. CodeProject has helped me forward, and I don't want to damage it.
If people can't separate your "harshness" from the general trend of the site, it is not entirelly your fault.
On the other side, you counting to 10 before some of your answers could be a improvement.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: I don't think I'm "crazy". I feel the same as I always did. I like to think I react on CP as I always did. There's a question, and you give a rational answer, with some arguments to back that up.
As far as I can remember you have always been more in the group of "polemic users", involved in some big discussions.
I would say that "partially yes", I think you have become a bit harder in your rethoric. But I can't tell that there have been a concrete inflection point or what the reasons might have been, in other words I can't say "when" or "why" it got "worst".
I am not an empathic person (by far) and only reading words the biggest part of the communication (the non-verbal part) is missing, so the same message can be taken very, very differently by a person or another.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: is my perception that way off from reality?
I don't think so, but it still is your perception so it won't be that bad for you.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: How much damage have I done?
Difficult to say, because that is a very objective impression by the "damaged" people.
But one thing is still clear for me. You are a user and you don't represent the community. If someone fail to see that, is not your problem.
If you had crossed the line that bad or you had severely damaged the community, CP Staff would have taken meassures and you would not be here.
That said, I still think you should try to keep yourself "logical", avoiding getting so personal and follow the "standard netiquette" without insulting or fighting back that hard.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
|
|
|
|
|
Nelek wrote: I wouldn't say "idiot", but I did have to tell you a couple of times that you were crossing the limits in your posts.
One can defend an opinion or a position in a hard way without insulting or being disrespectful.
True; haven't found a "confused" post, but quite some aggressive ones.
Nelek wrote: If people can't separate your "harshness" from the general trend of the site, it is not entirelly your fault.
Not relevant; it will still be seen as "part of the site" and "I don't go there anymore".
Nelek wrote: On the other side, you counting to 10 before some of your answers could be a improvement.
In those moods, counting is not on my mind, unless it is in corpses.
Nelek wrote: I would say that "partially yes", I think you have become a bit harder in your rethoric.
Good enough, got the same reaction for offline.
Nelek wrote: I don't think so, but it still is your perception so it won't be that bad for you.
Perception is the worst; after loosing too much sleep, you first start hearing things, then you start seeing things on your walls. So no, not trusting that and verifying.
Nelek wrote: But one thing is still clear for me. You are a user and you don't represent the community. If someone fail to see that, is not your problem.
Not just mine, but a problem for CodeProject also. The site helped me once or twice to get a job. Many might mistake a user for an admin if it is bigmouthed; others' would have been put in time out if they were as rude as I was.
Nelek wrote: If you had crossed the line that bad or you had severely damaged the community, CP Staff would have taken meassures and you would not be here.
Shoulnd't come that far. That's like being a guest and being thrown out.
Nelek wrote: That said, I still think you should try to keep yourself "logical", avoiding getting so personal and follow the "standard netiquette" without insulting or fighting back that hard.
Good advice, but at those moments I don't have enough control to do so. The site hasn't changed, so logic dictates I changed. And I must change it back.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
|
|
|
|
|
|
How come I can't sign in using codeproject?
(not free)
[Edit]
... oh, I get it, the joke's on me ...
[End edit]
modified 21-May-20 15:38pm.
|
|
|
|
|
Was expensive, but got it as a gift.
Played it, and "free" is too expensive. I've played Shareware that's more inviting, demo's that go further.
An expensive DLC for Dutch rulers? Without additional mechanics?
No. Long time Civ fan ignoring Civ6.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
|
|
|
|
|
That's too bad - I remember some of the older Civs as being some of the more fun out there. Ah well, I guess an end comes to every good civilization. 
At least you saved me a download after work. Thank you!
TTFN - Kent
|
|
|
|
|
The older Civs didn't require you to download a DLC with your country. Compare the amount of countries in Civ1/2 against the new one.
I'm not paying for a change in variables.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
|
|
|
|
|
Civ 4 can suck up a huge amount of my time. Haven't seen a need to go to any higher numbered one.
|
|
|
|
|
Eddy Vluggen wrote: The older Civs didn't require you to download a DLC with your country. Compare the amount of countries in Civ1/2 against the new one.
That's the new business model in many big games.
Free basic game, pay for all other things to customize.
The future looks like "Abo-Model"
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
|
|
|
|
|
The basic game is not free, but priced as a full game.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
|
|
|
|
|
Eddy Vluggen wrote: The basic game is not free, but priced as a full game.
It is this week
But you are right... I meant like in Destiny 2. The game is free the DLC and Season Passes not.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
|
|
|
|
|
General 
News 
Suggestion 
Question 
Bug 
Answer 
Joke 
Praise 
Rant 
Admin 
Submit an article or tip
