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truth - I haven't driven unix command line in a while. It *is* what I meant to say 
Years ago, my wife was running a budding web development business. This was before all of the frameworks and other stuff out there. It was just you, the command line, and knowing where to look for bugs in your perl scripts.
And yes, one day I taught her the rm -rf command. Told her to be careful too - didn't matter, you always do it once
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I restart my computer every day.
So things like this never happens to me.
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It's 2020. This year is hell. I'd expect nothing less.
On a less negative tone, I had that happen to me before, but after doing a clean reinstall it hasn't happened again. (The first install was an 8.0, 8.1, 10 upgrade.) Now I've jinxed myself...
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Sander Rossel wrote: It really helps that I didn't know any of the 297K casualties (so far) personally though.
Or my neighbor, who told me yesterday that the numbers are exaggerated, and it is a hoax by Bill Gates because he got a patent on the Corona virus in 2015.
I'm sticking with my 'hell' statement. How else can I explain that much ignorance?
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Quote: great music releases
Sorry, no, not that Oranssi Pazuzu stuff. If you want a good album, try the old ~1985 The Damned, Phantasmagoria. Far better than that OP noise. (But if that floats your boat, I can't say much.) The Myrkur song you linked to a few weeks ago, on the other hand - brilliant, and I'm still playing them.
And even a song I found while searching for The Damned album, Plasmatics - The Damned is better than OP! 
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Sander Rossel wrote: Pretty sweet year if you ask me.
Lots of awesome music was released
I know I'm gonna sound like a curmudgeon, but that bar's gotta be pretty low if anything made so far in 2020 can be described as "awesome".
Also, I don't know anyone who would judge how great a year is based on music releases or game remakes. I don't think that's what, in hindsight, 2020 is gonna be remembered for.
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I love music and it makes me happy 
I'm also an introvert and love being home alone.
The deaths of 297K strangers also doesn't make me particularly unhappy.
I've had this lifestyle for months in 2019, so this COVID-19 isn't affecting me all that much.
In fact, my biggest worry right now are some social events that are NOT cancelled and that I wasn't looking forward to 
The only reason I often leave the house is because I don't want to end up a hermit, but now I've got an excuse
My bar isn't low (because those were some great music releases), it's just very different from yours 
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I'm following up for the sake of it. I know you're mature enough to realize this is not a personal attack, so here goes.
Sander Rossel wrote: I'm also an introvert and love being home alone.
[Raises hand]
Sander Rossel wrote: The deaths of 297K strangers also doesn't make me particularly unhappy.
I can now name one person who died from it that I knew personally (a former neighbor). I wasn't particularly close to her and I'm not bringing her up to get anyone's sympathies, but a death is a death and it means someone's in mourning. Something about one death being a tragedy, and a million deaths a statistic...?
Sander Rossel wrote: I've had this lifestyle for months in 2019, so this COVID-19 isn't affecting me all that much.
Noob. I've been working from home since 2007, and if it weren't for the constant news (which I'm mostly ignoring) and public places being shut down, there are stretches of weeks where I wouldn't be able to notice anything being different at all.
Sander Rossel wrote: My bar isn't low (because those were some great music releases), it's just very different from yours
I'm more than willing to agree with that; it's nonsense to question people's music preferences. But let me ask you this, do you think you'll listen to some piece from 2020 again 20 years from now and still think it's the greatest thing ever, or think "I remember this being great back then, but could give it a pass today"? I'm sure you can compare with music you were listening to 20 years ago. I have one of those CD towers that has some stuff in it I'd be embarrassed about if others saw I had actually purchased...
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dandy72 wrote: I know you're mature enough to realize this is not a personal attack
I don't know what you thought you were going to write, but you ended up agreeing with me on pretty much everything
dandy72 wrote: one death being a tragedy, and a million deaths a statistic
That's how it is.
About 86K people died so far today, a very small percentage is COVID-19 related.
A couple of surfers died last week in Schevening, but they got a memorial service.
Condolences on your former neighbor by the way, even if you weren't close.
dandy72 wrote: do you think you'll listen to some piece from 2020 again 20 years from now and still think it's the greatest thing ever
Absolutely!
I still listen to music from 20+ years ago.
I listen to 90's music for a large part because of nostalgia, but I can really enjoy those songs too
Some music from 15 years ago is still among my favorites and I still listen to it regularly.
Just last week I was listening to Massive Attack's Mezzanine (1998), Moby's Play and 18 (1999 and 2002), Arcturus' The Sham Mirrors (2002), Satyricon's Now, Diabolical (2007) and Urfaust's Geist Ist Teufel (2004) and actually recommending some of those to someone who just got into black metal.
Hopefully I'll still be listening to this years releases by Myrkur, Oranssi Pazuzu, Dool and Theodor Bastard 20 years from now.
Whatever the case, if I do or if I don't listen to them in 20 years, that doesn't make them less enjoyable today
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Sander Rossel wrote: Whatever the case, if I do or if I don't listen to them in 20 years, that doesn't make them less enjoyable today
There's a really simple brilliance to this statement that I wasn't thinking of. When people talk about the "enduring quality" of some piece, or "standing the test of time" and that sort of crap...well, do you enjoy it now? If so...isn't that what matters...
You win. Not that it was a competition.
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Chris, you are seeing the negative side : Have you ever thought about what could have happened if it HAD NOT restarted ? Where do you think you would be right now ?
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Chris Maunder wrote: I was under the impression that Microsoft had listened to the pitchfork wielding masses and stopped the practice of rebooting your machine without warning. I honestly had.
Whatever possessed you to come to that conclusion? As far as I'm concerned, it's getting worse - not better.
A few months ago I was commiserating right here in the lounge about that fact that I had finally abandoned the idea of developing on Windows clients altogether, and using server versions instead to run my dev tools, strictly for the reason that traditionally, Windows Server versions never rebooted on their own. Only to be proven wrong on the very first Patch Tuesday cycle following my clean install of Server 2019.
Previous versions (2016? 2012 R2? Older still?) would never complain, even if you made them wait, quite literally, for months.
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It's a hard call for me, they both seem so evenly matched.
Explorans limites defectum
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I have no idea about Rust. You can't kiss all the girls.
C++ seems to be more of a love-hate relationship for those who don't hate it outright. I don't think it has many fanboys, but it certainly has its share of pedants.
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Should I introduce you to the Ruby fans?  Neither of the above come close.
TTFN - Kent
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I definitely don't want to meet them then...
Explorans limites defectum
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I didn't realize C++ had those; I thought they were only for unpopular and niche new languages (Rust, Go, Python, etc.).
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C++ has pro level practitioners for sure.
Explorans limites defectum
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I just made this post on the Rust section of Reddit and it got removed as offensive or abusive:
"The whole variable shadowing thing is just a ridiculously bad idea. I cannot believe that a language so anal retentive about safety would allow such a thing. If there's not an option to have the compiler warning about it, there should be."
I mean that's just Rust fan boys suppressing anything that questions the sanctity of Rust.
Explorans limites defectum
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Probably offensive because of "anal retentive". We're getting inundated with people who grew up in very sheltered environments.
I'd never heard of variable shadowing and had to look it up. 
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Tell us how you really feel!  
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As far as I'm concerned...the C++ fanbois at least have decades worth of real-world projects they can use to support whatever claims they want to make. Rust right now is being described by Wikipedia as having appeared less than a decade ago. Remove from that whatever amount of time it takes for any language to see some real-world use.
Is it fair to draw any conclusion from that? Whether that's even a valid metric to use, that's not for me to decide, but it is what first came to mind...
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