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Re: Now I've done it. I may have to reevaluate python

1-Nov-20 12:27

I had previously vowed to never use Python in protest of its use of significant whitespace.

However, I've been seduced by microprogramming projects using ESP8266 chips on which Micropython is a major player. LUA is my other option but comes with disadvantages.

I may have to learn one of them and the allure of micropython is WebREPL which leads me to believe I can create a little dynamic webserver on about $10 worth of components drawing modest usb power.

It's not so much the webserver part that's interesting but these devices are so cheap and easy to program against and wire things into you can automate most of your home with them if you're inclined. They're magic, and they all speak WiFi.

If I can run python on an $8 chip that I can slave an arduino mega 2560 to I will rule the world (or at least the gadgets in my home) for about $15. Woo!

This is fun.

Python tho. Seriously. Python.

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Rick York1-Nov-20 12:35

Rick York

1-Nov-20 12:35

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Re: Now I've done it. I may have to reevaluate python

Greg Utas1-Nov-20 12:36

Re: Now I've done it. I may have to reevaluate python

1-Nov-20 12:36

Too late! Already a witch.

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Greg Utas1-Nov-20 12:35

Re: Now I've done it. I may have to reevaluate python

1-Nov-20 12:35

Look out! The Witch has found a new passion! Laugh | :laugh:

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honey the codewitch1-Nov-20 13:12

Re: Now I've done it. I may have to reevaluate python

1-Nov-20 13:12

I was actually into building simple circuits before I ever started programming. This combines the two, it's just I never really had a reason to do it before, but now with WiFi being so ... cheap and readily connectible to dumb 8 bit hardware how can i not be thrilled by this? The possibilities are endless. Most of them involve clever ways to use AI to harass my cats, but still. Laugh | :laugh:

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Greg Utas1-Nov-20 14:08

Re: Now I've done it. I may have to reevaluate python

1-Nov-20 14:08

Careful that you don't alienate your familiar!

I have very little hardware sense, to the point where I'd relate to it in terms of how it would be done in software. Smile | :)

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honey the codewitch1-Nov-20 14:16

Re: Now I've done it. I may have to reevaluate python

1-Nov-20 14:16

When you're working with digital circuitry it's not all that different. I mean, there's some different ground rules, but it's all just logic. Logic circuits vs. lines of code. Smile | :)

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Greg Utas1-Nov-20 14:56

Re: Now I've done it. I may have to reevaluate python

1-Nov-20 14:56

Logic circuits were OK, but I remember thinking of timeswitches in software terms.

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PIEBALDconsult1-Nov-20 12:57

Re: Now I've done it. I may have to reevaluate python

1-Nov-20 12:57

What? The witch isn't familiar?

honey the codewitch1-Nov-20 13:08

Re: Now I've done it. I may have to reevaluate python

1-Nov-20 13:08

Significant whitespace always turned me off of it. Smile | :)

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PIEBALDconsult1-Nov-20 13:48

Re: Now I've done it. I may have to reevaluate python

1-Nov-20 13:48

That's about the only good thing about it, as a teaching language.

honey the codewitch1-Nov-20 14:01

Re: Now I've done it. I may have to reevaluate python

1-Nov-20 14:01

If you've used it, how do you feel about LUA? I've never used it. I ask because that's my other main option.

It might be possible to get C code compiling to it, but I've only found hints that it can be done, i've not found anything on actually doing it.

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Greg Utas1-Nov-20 14:11

Re: Now I've done it. I may have to reevaluate python

1-Nov-20 14:11

You've written interesting parsers and more, so a C compiler is just a baby step away! After all, it's just a toy language. Laugh | :laugh:

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honey the codewitch1-Nov-20 14:18

Re: Now I've done it. I may have to reevaluate python

1-Nov-20 14:18

C is actually kind of hard to parse because it's ambiguous without type information. Smile | :)

Still I'd much rather use something somebody made already. There is a C toolchain out there for this chip - it's just a matter of finding it.

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Daniel Pfeffer1-Nov-20 23:03

Daniel Pfeffer

1-Nov-20 23:03

There is an LGPL'ed tiny C compiler out there with backends for x86 and x64. I recall a (much earlier) tiny C compiler in Byte magazine for 8- or 16- bit processors. Modifying one or the other shouldn't be too difficult for one of your talents.

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Re: Now I've done it. I may have to reevaluate python

PIEBALDconsult1-Nov-20 14:15

Re: Now I've done it. I may have to reevaluate python

1-Nov-20 14:15

No, not touched LUA, not a Unix guy.

If you're dealing with hardware, you should be using a low level language, not a scripting language or virtual-machine language.

honey the codewitch1-Nov-20 14:19

Re: Now I've done it. I may have to reevaluate python

1-Nov-20 14:19

It's funny because you'd think so, but with microcontrollers these days apparently it's not hard to find them out there running a version of python, lua or even javascript when they're not running the more traditional C variants. Hardware is cheap, and lower power chips can do a lot more than they used to.

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PIEBALDconsult1-Nov-20 14:29

Re: Now I've done it. I may have to reevaluate python

1-Nov-20 14:29

Keep looking.

jsc421-Nov-20 23:03

jsc42

1-Nov-20 23:03

honey the codewitch wrote:
Significant whitespace always turned me off of it

Invent a variant with significant black space.

modified 2-Nov-20 8:16am.

Re: Now I've done it. I may have to reevaluate python

markrlondon1-Nov-20 16:44

markrlondon

1-Nov-20 16:44

We need Python++ which requires curly braces to fix the significant whitespace bug.

It would only need to transpile to boring old significant whitespace Python, afterall.

Re: Now I've done it. I may have to reevaluate python

Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter1-Nov-20 19:16

Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

1-Nov-20 19:16

What happened to C? I've done several Arduino projects - including 8266 - and all in C...

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Re: Now I've done it. I may have to reevaluate python

honey the codewitch1-Nov-20 19:37