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OriginalGriff wrote: Where's the CCC? 
Next to the Shore Shore Shore?
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Stupid boy Pike 
"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming “Wow! What a Ride!" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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I'm concurrently learning Python and Tkinter... well, it really 'looks like' Tkinter has been modeled after VB6 and Windows controls.
Reading the Tkinter manual truly brings me back to the earyl 2000s, when I was very young and teaching myself VB6 on a McGrawHill book and experimenting on a VB6 copy I received as a gift from a friend of my dad.
Needless to say, I'm impressed so far on how the mechanics are exceptionally similar and how they managed to blend the whole system with Python's own language features, like dictionaries, named arguments and integrated support for lists everywhere.
EDIT: It even has its own DoEvents! How cute! Next you will tell me that it has its own On Error Resume Next...
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
modified 23-Feb-22 7:07am.
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It is a long time since I worked on TCL/Tk, but I found tkinter less difficult than I expected. The main problem I find is the quality of the online documentation. The best I could find is at Tkinter 8.5 reference: a GUI for Python[^].
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I'm using TkDocs Tutorial[^] and so far I'm finding it useful and easy, maybe they updated it since you last lokked at it?
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Thanks, I need to make better use of the menu. 
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Happy to have been of help 
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Personally I chose Tkinter for a very simple reason: it's bundled. No additional libs, no runtimes, no external tools needed.
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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A pity that most Python GUI frameworks have no forms designer, so I would not say that: Python + Tkinter = VB7 
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It's the only missing tool, though to be honest after a while the forms designer became jsut a repository of elements to be resized / positioned via code. Manually.
Yes it has a steeper learning curve than VB6, but in a world dominated by CSS and HTML+Javashcript new devs are used to manually specify columns, divs and whatsnot.
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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I've upgraded my laptop to Windows 11 as the office guinea pig - all is going well and nothing has broken with the Adobe Suite, AutoDesk Suite, or any other software used by my coworkers for productive work. I tried to run windows update a week after upgrading, and it's not working. So... I went to the windows update catalog site and something is definitely wrong there.
The SSL certificate is for a site "*.hs.llnwd.net" - very strange for a mega-global-corporation to screw that up. Right? Anyway, I paused updates for a week out of an abundance of caution.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Fuu8jgsPBYNqCF94A[^]
-Bob
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you might have a problem here.. windowsupdate.com doesn't seem to be a microsoft website, I think...
Never mind, I am told it's a fine URL...
modified 22-Feb-22 23:19pm.
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That is confirmed to be a MS owned URL (it's a redirect to the official website).
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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oh.. alright, thanks for correction
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Looks like either they screwed up something, or there's some kind of attack going on, as I get an Unknown Issuer error.
EDIT: Working URL[^].
Found an MS forum post where they confirm the issue and report they're investigating.
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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So I was initially happy with the build quality of CUKUSA's machines given the price.
But now that I've gutted the old case, I found out half the fans were dead after a year (I have two long haired cats, in CUK's defense)
That and their cabling was cheap.
Anyway, I just got a thermaltake case. I wouldn't buy it again, but I'm stuck with it now. It doesn't cool as well as I'd like because of the way it was designed, but the mobo sits FLAT like God/FSM intended.
Real programmers use butterflies
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I have this CUKUSA
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-9900 CPU @ 3.10GHz 3.10 GHz
Installed RAM 64.0 GB
Intel UHD Graphics 630
Windows 10 pro.
No heat problems, yet, but graphics hardware will freeze at times especially
when using google maps or any maps. You have turn power off to recover.
But it was affordable and runs 431 gigaflops using Qwikmark 0.4 freeware benchmark.
Not totally scientific but it is a benchmark.
I wanted a number cruncher and I got that. Been using it about a year.
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Check your fans. Make sure they aren't dead.
My machine otherwise has been mostly fine, although I've now replaced the case and the power supply (they weren't damaged, just inadequate for a 2080TI GPU. That's somewhat disappointing, at least in terms of the case. It was a tower. It should have been enough. But the case was poorly designed for holding a large video card, despite being a large case.
Real programmers use butterflies
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I have a mini desktop (6" x 6" x 3") @ 300 watts with only 2 fans. The case fan speed can be adjusted in BIOS. The CPU fan is what it is. I can check op temps in bios, but no other way to determine if it's functioning.
The case fan is clearly in view without opening the case. So far all is nominal. I know I create more heat with my number crunching programs. Fan speed picks up then.
I too have spare fans. BTW if you mount a case fan or power supply fan in front a bigger fan or outside in wind, the fan becomes a DC generator (at least the ones I have). The original power line to fan become the wires you use as a small DC source.
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That's funny. I think I'll just use USB power.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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i agree. those little motors have magnets in them that's why they can be generators at least my theory
done
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honey the codewitch wrote: I found out half the fans were dead after a year
I read this as "half of everyone who bought, loved and advocated the product (a.k.a. fans) were dead after a year" and I was like 
The cats didn't add up though
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No, you were right the first time.
*hides*
Real programmers use butterflies
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