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5teveH wrote: You obviously have a problem with AstraZeneca
I really couldn't give two sh*ts about Astra-Zeneca. Or even one. I guess that comments a way for you to dodge admitting that they ![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) ed the submission by sending old data.5teveH wrote: But when the UK is vaccinating more people per hour, (with AstraZeneca),
Somehow you've decided the best way you can distract from just accepting facts (as in the data they submitted is on them and no one else) you decide to distract with some sort of contest. But - why not do the freakin' math? UK started vaccinating before US. The US's headcount for those vaccinated is approaching twice the entire population of the UK. They're not doing more per any unit of time - and what difference does it make? Except to distract form the topic and make you feel good about yourself (which is odd).
As per your support of Labor - that party seems to have only just (perhaps?) started recovering from some serious institutional sickness - institutional antisemitism starting at the top. Hardly much different then the far right. Whatever you may think is wrong with the Conservatives, at least they haven't decayed anywhere near as deeply from within.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: I really couldn't give two sh*ts about Astra-Zeneca
So why start the discussion? 
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: Somehow you've decided the best way you can distract from just accepting facts (as in the data they submitted is on them and no one else) you decide to distract with some sort of contest. But - why not do the freakin' math? UK started vaccinating before US. The US's headcount for those vaccinated is approaching twice the entire population of the UK. They're not doing more per any unit of time - and what difference does it make? Except to distract form the topic and make you feel good about yourself (which is odd).
Go back and read my post again. I was comparing the number of UK AstraZeneca vaccinations per hour with the US AstraZeneca trial. Not with US vaccinations. Yes, I agree, it would be "odd" if I saw this as some sort of contest. But I don't. My aim was to point out that looking at the results of 15 million vaccinations is more reliable than looking at a trial of 30,000. I don't see how that is "distracting from accepting the facts". Surely, it's better to look at the bigger sample when determining facts.
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: As per your support of Labor
Again, go back and read my post. Where did I say I support Labour? 
Just so you know where I'm coming from. I have suffered at the hands of the press and have an inherent distrust of them. I hate that they try to sensationalise everything - and I feel almost duty bound to fact-check any promotion of stories from the press and, if possible, provide more reliable sources of information. I really can't see how this story did any good - for anyone. It just undermines confidence in the vaccine.
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5teveH wrote: Just so you know where I'm coming from. I have suffered at the hands of the press and have an inherent distrust of them. I hate that they try to sensationalise everything - and I feel almost duty bound to fact-check any promotion of stories from the press and, if possible, provide more reliable sources of information. I really can't see how this story did any good - for anyone. It just undermines confidence in the vaccine.
I take my data from not only the media (famous for lying by omission - like FoxNews or the BBC) - but from somewhat professional sources (such as MedScape) that talk about these items usually well before the press releases, often have real data, and give both sides to, for example, my view of the way AZ handled this attempt at, well honestly, expanding their potential market (or using US sources, if they gave it EUA, to repair their reputation).
Jorgen's post (just above these) shows a more extensive knowledge of the facts. AZ played some games with this US rollout.
Put it this way - while CDC, FDA, and other US Federal watchdogs try to repair the horrible damage done to them by politicizing them in the prior four years, they're not going to cut a single corner. In particular, when a mistake can mean serious life-long (or life-ending) consequences. The key term from the MedScape article (not the emphasis) was "transparency" and 'unprecedented blind-siding' with the press release. You need to register for MedScape to get to the articles - and then you can get a flow of reasonably technical articles before the press debauche's them.
I also get Chemical and Engineering News (American Chemical Society) and it will have an altogether different slant on the progress as it is more process oriented - such as concepts of how one would hope to target an organism that mutates rapidly . . . . six months ago.
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Clearly you are part of the US conspiracy to say that everything US is good and everything else is cr@p, whereas in reality it is generally the reverse. 
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Probably a good thing then that the vaccine Pfizer is selling was developed by BioNTech, a German Company.
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Yes - it is a conspiracy. More than that - the most successful self-fulfilling prophecy of all times. Apparently you've bought in to the conspiracy - you settle down in that section of North America. Or is that simply explained away by your simply a masochist ?
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The weirdest part is that this isn't AZ's first kick at doing trials, but they seemed to have messed these up from the beginning - some people getting half doses, their messaging around >65s, etc.
Someone better not get their bonus this year. 
Still, I'd take it over not having one. (Especially as it's increasingly likely that this will be the one offered when they get to me)
TTFN - Kent
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Kent Sharkey wrote: (Especially as it's increasingly likely that this will be the one offered when they get to me)
I feel a bit guilty about that as the US has authorized transferring the AZ to Canada and Mexico. This (at least) was before the current announcement that it's not going to be given EUA so fast.
Supposedly, there's been enough of a production increases for the other three that, by the time AZ was expected to be authorized (at that time, a few days ago), the US was thought we would be pretty much saturated with the others.
Still, as they say, "any port in a storm". As long as prevention of serious disease at 100% is true it's a bargain.
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Apparently, AZ also broke their own protocols in analyzing data.
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a rare instance of some people doing their jobs. I would love to know all of the times scientists, engineers, accountants cooked the data due to "pressure."
Pressure from management, pressure from colleagues, pressure from politicians....
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Rebuff diminutive lettuce (or Greek island)(sounds like a Greek island) (modified thanks to mistake spotted by OG)
mixed to form religious seasonal food (2nd April this year)
(3, 5, 4)
modified 23-Mar-21 5:28am.
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Um. The Greek island starts with a 'K' ... 
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Argh! Thanks for that!
Modified the question (crossed out the original, but left it visible)
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Might be spelled "Kross" in Polish ...
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That's a pretty hot clue!
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It has to be HOT CROSS BUNS
I'll get back to you with why..... when I've figured it out!
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Anagram of:
Rebuff - SNUB
Diminutive - SHORT
Lettuce/Greek Island - COS
modified 23-Mar-21 5:45am.
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Well done. You are up tomorrow.
I'll give you a few mins to work out why, then I'll explain if you can't.
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Got it. See my edit.
Good clue - i.e. Too easy for OG, so the rest of us get a chance.
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I got the answer, but I couldn't see anything other than the Cos.
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The only part I got was "Cos" lettuce to go into the anagram.
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"Rebuff" could be "Brush", which just leaves "snot" to find ...
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Well Done! Absolutely Correct.
(Sorry I hadn't seem your reply when I posted my solution)
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Rebuff = SNUB
Diminutive = SHORT
Lettuce = COS (as several people guessed)
mixed (anag) = HOT CROSS BUNS
(2nd April is Good Friday)
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But when the UK is vaccinating more people per hour, (with AstraZeneca), than are in the US trial, I'm going to take real world results as my source of data. Simples! 
